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    Default change some fonts

    a lot of websites are built with the font specified as "Helvetica/Arial"

    When Opensuse/Firefox come across a page with this specification it loads "Nimbus Sans L"

    Now, I think this is a pretty ugly font - at least on my system.
    I have both Helvetica and Arial installed.
    Without removing the option to allow web-pages to specify the fonts in firefox - what I want to know is if there is a system wide setting that can be change so whenever "Helvetica/Arial" is specified (either Firefox or Thunderbird) it loads one of those fonts rather than "Nimbus Sans L"?

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    I dont think there is a way to do this, at least to my knowledge.
    https://features.opensuse.org/308357

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    Default Re: change some fonts

    Globally font can be changed, but not sure the way you want it..like for some specific application.
    You can change the system fonts to Arial etc, which is in desktop configuration.
    So why not change the Firefox/thunderbird fonts?
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    farcusnz wrote:
    > I have both Helvetica and Arial installed.
    > I want to know is if there is a system wide setting that
    > can be change so whenever "Helvetica/Arial" is specified (either Firefox
    > or Thunderbird) it loads one of those fonts rather than "Nimbus Sans L"?


    i think since you have Helvetica and Arial loaded the question is: Why
    can't firefox/thunderbird just load them when specified? (that is, you
    shouldn't have to do something system wide to make it happen, it
    should be automatic....i think)

    that is a question i can't answer, but can confirm that something is
    going wrong in firefox...see here:

    i understand that this page
    <http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/fontlist.htm> should
    show all my installed fonts....but, it does not show any Helvetica..

    however, xlsfonts (in a terminal) show LOTS of various Helvetica fonts
    are available to the system......oh no, i just checked and
    OpenOffice.org doesn't offer any Helvetica either...

    and i have NO idea why xlsfonts apparently 'thinks' Helvetica are
    loaded but firefox and OO.o (and probably others) can't find/use them..

    anyone??

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    Default Re: change some fonts

    Quote Originally Posted by mmarif4u View Post
    Globally font can be changed, but not sure the way you want it..like for some specific application.
    You can change the system fonts to Arial etc, which is in desktop configuration.
    So why not change the Firefox/thunderbird fonts?
    I think you have misundersstood what I am asking.
    I don't want to specify the font in firefox. I want to let the webpage specify the font.
    Because most linux distros don't ship with Helvetica or Arial (although Opensuse does now ship with Arial) they map a web page that specifies "Helvetica/Arial" to instead use the linux font "Numbus Sans L"

    As explained. I have both Helvetica and Arial installed so I want my desktop to load either one of those fonts instead of Nimbus Sans L.

    I cannot achieve this by either specifying a font in firefox (as then every web page will use exactly the same font) or through the KDE4 font configuration utility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palladium View Post
    farcusnz wrote:
    > I have both Helvetica and Arial installed.
    > I want to know is if there is a system wide setting that
    > can be change so whenever "Helvetica/Arial" is specified (either Firefox
    > or Thunderbird) it loads one of those fonts rather than "Nimbus Sans L"?


    i think since you have Helvetica and Arial loaded the question is: Why
    can't firefox/thunderbird just load them when specified? (that is, you
    shouldn't have to do something system wide to make it happen, it
    should be automatic....i think)

    that is a question i can't answer, but can confirm that something is
    going wrong in firefox...see here:

    i understand that this page
    <http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/fontlist.htm> should
    show all my installed fonts....but, it does not show any Helvetica..

    however, xlsfonts (in a terminal) show LOTS of various Helvetica fonts
    are available to the system......oh no, i just checked and
    OpenOffice.org doesn't offer any Helvetica either...

    and i have NO idea why xlsfonts apparently 'thinks' Helvetica are
    loaded but firefox and OO.o (and probably others) can't find/use them..

    anyone??

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    I believe, but could be mistaken - it is something to do with Arial and Helvetica being TTF fonts rather than X11 fonts. I had previously read somewhere that something needed to be changed in X11 for apps like firefox to load TTF fonts on the fly over the preferred x11 font.

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    I should clarify here - that if a web page specifies "Arial" then I have no problems.
    It is only when Helvetica is brought into the equation - as many web page creation tools - and also apps like thunderbird - let you specify a dual font with the option "Helvetica / Arial"

    Only when this option has been used to create do I have my problem.

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    I am almost sure that this will not help you, but at least I have the same idea as palladium has: FF does not know much about the system wide installed fonts.

    I have fonts installed (that provide non Latin characters) that show up correctly in Konqueror, but FF shows open squares (for character not found in any of the available fonts). And vv. FF shows characters I have in none of my installed fonts. Also I have web pages where both have a font containing the needed characters, but they use a different ones and FF uses one with errors (that is why I found out).

    To me it seems that system fonts and FF fonts are two different things and that would fit into your observation.
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    hcvv wrote:
    > To me it seems that system fonts and FF fonts are two different things


    amazing....could it be that ff has its own fonts...or....or what?
    but, wait: i just looked at
    http://www.fileformat.info/info/unic...t/fontlist.htm in firefox,
    konqueror, opera and IE4Linux and none of them showed any
    Helvetica...though this command:

    xlsfonts | grep -i helvet*

    returns more line than i want to count..

    is it possible my helvetica fonts are not installed "correctly"?

    confused.

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    On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:16:01 +0000, farcusnz wrote:

    > a lot of websites are built with the font specified as "Helvetica/Arial"
    >
    > When Opensuse/Firefox come across a page with this specification it
    > loads "Nimbus Sans L"
    >
    > Now, I think this is a pretty ugly font - at least on my system. I have
    > both Helvetica and Arial installed. Without removing the option to allow
    > web-pages to specify the fonts in firefox - what I want to know is if
    > there is a system wide setting that can be change so whenever
    > "Helvetica/Arial" is specified (either Firefox or Thunderbird) it loads
    > one of those fonts rather than "Nimbus Sans L"?


    Yes, I am facing the *same* probem.

    And that behaviour is very well explained here:

    http://fm.no-ip.com/auth/Font/font-helvetica-suse.html

    But I dunno how to disable/remove that alias or just make an alias for
    these fonts to get mapped into the true Arial or Helvetica fonts and not
    to Nimbus Sans L :-?

    Greetings,

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