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    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    It would also help to know what we're currently using - for all I know it is DejaVu Sans Mono, and it's just hard to tell the difference because of the size...

  2. #22

    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    Quote Originally Posted by Confuseling View Post
    ...
    If so, DejaVu Sans Mono (as suggested by cjcox) looks ideal - Mitra Mono has a good l, but a silly 0.

    If anyone has any other preferences for a 'shortlist', post now or forever hold your peace...

    I'll start a poll in a few days to see what others think...
    Right. Best ignore that.

    Now that I've found the right system (doh!), it actually looks like DejaVu is the only sensible option...

    And I'm pretty sure that's what we're using already.

    Whoops. Back to your scheduled programming...

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    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    Have a look at Dec Terminal and Misc Fixed both of which have the differences I think you are looking for.

  4. #24

    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    Go no further:
    Latin Modern Mono [lmfonts.rpm]
    Lucida Console
    (and a bunch of non-scalable xterm bitmap fonts of course)
    Even Microsoft's Courier New would work.

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    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    I think you will find that Courier New does not make as strong a distinction between the two as either Dec Terminal or Fixed Misc. I don't have the other two installed to check.

  6. #26

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    Hmm... Well something's obviously up, as I'm not seeing the right fonts. Could be a discrepancy between the RC I'm using and the final release, or could just be the thoroughly broken state of my system - hopefully I'll get a chance to fully reinstall using the GM later today.

    If anybody has a particular pressing urge to start said poll, go ahead. I'm not ignoring this thread, and I'll get there eventually...

  7. #27

    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    Click to enlarge screenshot.
    Notice that on 100% of all cases (in this screenshot ;-) ) 'l' != 'I', simply because the I has a complete horizontal bar on top, while the l does not. And the '1' you can distinguish from the 'l' because it has a diagonal stroke.
    [N.B.: tosh, mux (2nd not pictured) is from hxtools.rpm.]

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    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    > 'Click to enlarge screenshot.'
    > (http://picpaste.de/pics/1li.1258994468.png)
    > Notice that on 100% of all cases (in this screenshot ;-) ) 'l' != 'I',
    > simply because the I has a complete horizontal bar on top, while the l
    > does not. And the '1' you can distinguish from the 'l' because it has a
    > diagonal stroke.
    > [N.B.: tosh, mux (2nd not pictured) is from hxtools.rpm.]


    Don't forget to test the O0 problem.



  9. #29

    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    Argh. Well I finally got 11.2 freshly installed again (another story) in order to check, and I've found the xlsfonts utility for displaying a font list.

    Would all these be available for a website to use then? It's a lot more than in the 'local font list'.

    EDIT - aha! xfontsel may be the way to do this...!

  10. #30
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    Default Re: Monospace font in which 'l' doesn't look like '1'

    > Would all these be available for a website to use then? It's a lot more
    > than in the 'local font list'.


    unfortunately, the web server doesn't "serve fonts" instead it only
    sends plain text messages with html 'tag' specifying how the plain
    text is to be rendered by the receiver's browser..

    the plain text html tags can specify whichever font the page designer
    wishes without regard to whether or not the server has that font, or
    zero fonts installed..

    background info on that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_family_(HTML)

    now, what is seen by the receiver can only come from fonts installed
    *on* his/her machine..

    and, as stated earlier, if the page's html code specifies a font not
    on the users machine, then another (the browser's default) will be
    substituted (and you would be right back to not able to read Ov0 or lv1)..

    it is routine for web page designers to specify a "font family" so as
    to provide a page readable by the most possible receivers...and one
    font from that 'family' might display O and 0 differently, while the
    next might they might appear almost the same..

    your question then would have to read: Would all the fonts available
    on my machine be available on all computer users around the world who
    might want to read the forums?

    and, the answer is no..

    however, if the web page specified a microsoft font it would probably
    work fine for over 90% of all potential readers (but, would we really
    wanna do that?)

    so, as far as i know the best thing for you to do is find a font with
    O 0 1 and ls which makes you happy and select that as your browser's
    default..

    other users here will have to solve their O v 0 problem themselves..

    otoh, posters here could help by using "code" tags or amplifying
    notes, and some do....like

    Code:
    cat /boot/0Original.menu.lst1
    that is 0[zero]O[Oscar]riginal[lima].menu.l[ima]st1[one]

    of course, that is a lot of trouble for posters and it is much easier
    for the users to follow previous advice to simply copy/past commands..

    --
    palladium

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