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    Default Re: applications forum split

    Quote Originally Posted by palladium View Post
    > Any explanation?

    my guess is your browser does not automatically update the page you
    are looking at....that is, the http forum is not like a live, running
    IM chat..

    pressing F5 _might_ cause the broswer to refresh the page, and pick up
    all posts made since the time you first received it..

    but, i'm not sure F5 is common to all browsers, nor do i know what you
    are using, probably Lnyx, right? ;-)

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    Thanks, but browser update wasn't the issue - I am aware of it. I moved in and out of the thread. There was a significant long time span when only the two of us (unfortunately for the OP were in the thread, and the posts were short in length (re typing delay). I was surprised at the long gap before #6 was "inserted". I experienced the same in another thread thread where it wasn't just an nntp user. BTW I use SeaMonkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckesfeld View Post
    I'd rather spin off some areas from the "application" forum. We alreday did that with "multimedia" and "games", so why not create other subforums like "Graphics", "Internet", "Utilities" (this is not a concept, I'm just thinking along the application groups in my KDE application launcher :-)

    Uwe
    I would rather see that division, as an easier proposition for the user without needing dynamic maintenance by staff.

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    consused wrote:
    > palladium;2063549 Wrote:
    >>> Any explanation?

    >> my guess is your browser does not automatically update the page you
    >> are looking at....that is, the http forum is not like a live, running
    >> IM chat..
    >>
    >> pressing F5 _might_ cause the broswer to refresh the page, and pick up
    >> all posts made since the time you first received it..
    >>
    >> but, i'm not sure F5 is common to all browsers, nor do i know what you
    >> are using, probably Lnyx, right? ;-)
    >>
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    >> palladium
    >> Have a lot of fun..

    > Thanks, but browser update wasn't the issue - I am aware of it. I moved
    > in and out of the thread. There was a significant long time span when
    > only the two of us (unfortunately for the OP were in the thread, and
    > the posts were short in length (re typing delay). I was surprised at the
    > long gap before #6 was "inserted". I experienced the same in another
    > thread thread where it wasn't just an nntp user. BTW I use SeaMonkey.
    >
    >

    Jim or Kim can probably explain the 'facts' where i can only guess
    that the 'prime' means to assign post number/time is the web software,
    which 'sweeps' in nntp notes _as_ they are received, but because web
    notes have a ten minute editing period, they are not posted to the web
    (or nntp) side until that editing period is over....and, i _guess_
    they are then both numbered and date/timeed at the _end_ of the edit
    period, when posted..

    so a web visitor might see (for example) post #5 and begin a reply at
    (say) 20:00 (local), finish it at 20:10 and it be added to both the
    web forum and nntp server at 20:20....all while a nntp user read #5,
    send a reply at 20:05 receiving #6 and a 20:05 posting time...while
    you would not see his #6 because you were still typing into the web
    based editor (and not watching the posted thread)..

    make sense? (now, let the hired guns speak)

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    Quote Originally Posted by palladium View Post
    Jim or Kim can probably explain the 'facts' where i can only guess
    that the 'prime' means to assign post number/time is the web software,
    which 'sweeps' in nntp notes _as_ they are received, but because web
    notes have a ten minute editing period, they are not posted to the web
    (or nntp) side until that editing period is over....and, i _guess_
    they are then both numbered and date/timeed at the _end_ of the edit
    period, when posted..

    so a web visitor might see (for example) post #5 and begin a reply at
    (say) 20:00 (local), finish it at 20:10 and it be added to both the
    web forum and nntp server at 20:20....all while a nntp user read #5,
    send a reply at 20:05 receiving #6 and a 20:05 posting time...while
    you would not see his #6 because you were still typing into the web
    based editor (and not watching the posted thread)..

    make sense? (now, let the hired guns speak)

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    I follow the argument of your example, but in the case here I wasn't still typing and the posts were really short. I would expect to be superceded (and have been) on a medium to long typing delay. Surely the editing period of 10 mins shouldn't affect the timestamp of the received message(?). I agree on the guns, and hope Jim will come back with an answer. I don't really want to quote on every response in order to work around the answer appearing to arrive before the question/statement.

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    On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:36:01 +0000, consused wrote:

    > Thanks for replying. If your #6 was posted significantly after my #7
    > (and it sure looks that way) then that sounds like a bug in the forum
    > system, doesn't it? If your post comes in on nntp after a 10 min delay,
    > your #6 should be well after my #7 (which should have been #6). I don't
    > see why this should happen, do you? What's the next step?


    I'm not overly concerned about it - could've been a caching glitch or the
    automated process skipped a beat or two for some reason.

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    On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:56:01 +0000, consused wrote:

    > I agree on the guns, and hope Jim will come back with an answer. I don't
    > really want to quote on every response in order to work around the
    > answer appearing to arrive before the question/statement.


    I see now what it is that you were asking about - I wasn't entirely clear
    a couple minutes ago. Quoting shouldn't be necessary on every reply
    (though usually I do selective quoting myself anyways). If I have a
    chance to look into it further this weekend, I'll do that.

    Jim



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