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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    Feel free to do so, this is the beauty about Free Software in general, choice.

    Why do you want us to convince you?

    That's your job, not ours.

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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Akoellh View Post
    Feel free to do so, this is the beauty about Free Software in general, choice.

    Why do you want us to convince you?
    Actually you are the one that convinced me. Congratulate yourself on getting rid of another ignorant newbie.

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    Oh dear, now I will have to at least sacrifce two goats, one chicken and maybe a virgin in order to get absolution for my sins
    ....

    PLEAAAAAAAAASE STAY....



    ..... think of the poor goats!

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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    I'm actually surprised by this level of rudeness. Cool off Akoellh.

    And to MountainX: my apologies for this one. Please reconsider your departure. The bulk of ppl here are normal folk.
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    I am very cool, don't worry.

    This "threatening" to leave is the "uncool" and really childish part, now isn't it?

    Read the "article" linked by the OP in his first posting.

    http://jrswift.wordpress.com/2008/01...gers-in-linux/

    Where is the rudeness now?

    Taking this as "basis" of a statement without (self admitted!) knowledge deserves an apology, because it is an insult to intelligence.

    //Edit:

    As I can see, the OP got plenty of help over the last few days, even on using an unstable, non-released version instead of a stable one. So what is he complaining about?

    The first post is a clear case of unreflected trolling, because it is provocative, full of misconceptions and bares no decent grounding.

    Who is really rude here?

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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    Stupid me... I was thinking choice of distro should be made on the basis of the package management system, or KDE integration, or most up to date packages, or best hardware recognition...

    Now I realize that the experience I have had in the Ubuntu forums these last two years more than makes up for the deficiencies of Kubuntu. I can tweak Kubuntu to work the way I want it to. But I cannot so easily replace the culture they have created in their forums.

    BTW, I was not proposing some "idea". You really didn't even understand my post. But that didn't stop you from assuming and then spouting off on the basis of those incorrect assumptions.

    Just a few short minutes ago I was saying, "The more I use openSUSE 11.2, the more I love it." Now I'm saying that the more I use these forums, the more I miss the Ubuntu experience. It took one thread to educate me about where my focus should be as a relative newcomer to Linux.

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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    Quote Originally Posted by Akoellh View Post
    I am very cool, don't worry.

    This "threatening" to leave is the "uncool" and really childish part, now isn't it?

    Read the "article" linked by the OP in his first posting.

    Package Managers in Linux JR Swift’s Blog

    Where is the rudeness now?

    Taking this as "basis" of a statement without (self admitted!) knowledge deserves an apology, because it is an insult to intelligence.
    Oh, so you are justified in insulting me because I didn't understand that an article I read was flawed? Why do you think I posted here? If I wasn't interested in the other point of view, I would not have asked or provided the link. The article did not sound insulting to me. It should be obvious to most people that I was looking to be convinced that I made the right decision with openSUSE and that I was looking for counterpoints to the article I linked. Read my post again Akoellh.

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    Where did I insult you?

    Show me the rude language?

    I marked your statement as pointless, one of the most pointless statements I ever read and I explicitly showed you why repeatedly.

    Your only reaction was a childish "Wahaha, then I will leave openSUSE" and "Ubuntu fora are so much friendlier".

    You got enough argumentation before getting so childish, so what is your point?

    If you _really_ are into it, then start reading the help/man page of zypper.

    If you really had, you would know that its basic commands are very apt-like, so don't take your still existing lack of experience as my fault.

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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    Hi,

    What specifically about Yast or Zypper makes it suck? You didn't really provide any statements or discussion on the reasons, you just pointed to an article that was written in January of '08. I started out with openSUSE (and Linux) at the end of December, '08 and the first time I used Yast I thought it was brilliant. Just this past summer I tried out Ubuntu, whichever version was the latest version, because the IT dept where I was working wanted to see what linux was about. We tried a couple of things and when it came to installing packages I was lost. It seems like an easy thing but I just didn't like it at all. Now I know if I spend some time reading about how to use the package management my view may or may not change, but when you change from one way to another, you have to adapt to that change. (I then installed openSUSE 11.1 with KDE4 and they were in awe).

    Perhaps you should ask for help in the applications section of the forum or list specifically what about Yast and/or zypper you don't like in the soapbox so we may address these points. This post seems like it should be in soapbox as it doesn't give any specific reasons, neither does that article other than the auto-updater starts automatically on boot (easily fixed by disabling it then updating manually with Yast or zypper).

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    Default Re: SUSE would be perfect if it used Debian Package Mangemen

    Quote Originally Posted by MountainX View Post
    I was hoping I would eventually learn to like it as much as Synaptic, aptitude/apt-get and the other tools on Debian-based distros. But the more I read, the more I am questioning whether I will ever like it.
    Well, I can tell you this -- just my opinion -- but having tried both, I much prefer Yast. One reason, which I admit applies to my work experience, is that I can use Yast from the GUI, or via a SSH connection in a terminal, and it behaves the same way. Suse also has the Build Service (Software.openSUSE.org) which allows you to do a simple one-click install for countless packages.

    Go into System -> Configuration -> Install Software and it's just about as easy as it could be. Adding a repository sometimes takes a little more work, but no more than when adding a non-standard repository to Ubuntu.

    A lot of this is just what you get used to.

    As for the Ubuntu forums, again speaking from experience, another reason why I stick with Opensuse is because the level of expertise here is an order of magnitude higher. Ubuntu is an excellent distribution for people starting out with Linux. But when I've posted questions in the Ubuntu forum that require anything more than a "click here, then click there" answer, the answers are less than satisfying. I'll either get several conflicting suggestions, or (if it's more advanced), no answer at all.

    Here, I've posted some fairly advanced requests regarding networking, firewalls, NAT, and so on. I've never failed to get an answer. More advanced questions take longer, of course, but someone has always helped me out.

    Once again: it's what you get used to and what you feel comfortable with.

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