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    Default My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    Yeah, yeah, yeah... take this for what it's worth, or flame me. Don't really care, but here's my two cents worth...

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    I've worked technology for 20 years, done SAP consulting in particular since 1994. Started out as a CNE, then went MS.

    Here's my take on Linux:

    1. Spectacular product
    2. Not practical for use.
    3. Will never effectively compete with MS until it can take over the corporate desktop.
    4. Can never take over the corporate desktop until the user experience is less technical and simplified.

    That's it in a nutshell. I spend more time setting up, tweaking, adjusting, and working through OS issues than I spend doing any kind of productive work.

    Install was far better than previous versions, but still much further to go. YAST repositories to a non-Linux user would be foreign, and even being a tech consultant, the need to set up multiple repositories is a pain.

    The whole experience is very technical in nature, as a result adoption by the average corporate or desktop user, which is what is needed to promote widespread adoption won't happen until that is changed.

    I've watched Linux for several years. Tried it out many times, and this release (11.1) is certainly a huge advance, but there is still a long way to go.

    Great product but not ready for primetime for me.

    Flame away all you want. That's what fascinates me the most. I've seen others post genuinely thought provoking opinions, who have been trashed... So be it.

    Take it for what it's worth...

    If you want to beat Microsoft, be realistic about simplifying the user experience. After all, NO company, and NO individual gets an OS just for the OS (except in the Linux world), they get it to serve as a bridge to the applications and hardware they want to use.

    Simplify the user experience, find a way to make OS interaction "transparent" and simple to the end user so they can focus on the tasks that the OS enables and you will finally beat MS and take over the desktop.

    There is one last thing to consider that I have learned from all of the large companies I've done consulting work for over the years, IT maintenance. If it is a pain for the IT staff to maintain then it will not be adopted.

    Simplicity is the name of the game. Linux distros are very powerful OS's. Even with some of the great advances, and even some of the especially useful features they are still a long way off being widely adopted by the user community that will finally kill MS Windows.

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    First, let me say Welcome to openSUSE forums.
    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    1. Spectacular product
    Thank you. As a Linux user, I happen to like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    2. Not practical for use.
    Tell that to the Movie industry who have Linux clusters to make animated movies.

    Tell that to aerospace who have Satellite control systems running linux, who have satellite simulators running on Linux ...

    I use a Linux PC on my business trips, which are very practical.

    No practical use for you. ... I suspect so. You forgot to add "for you".

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    3. Will never effectively compete with MS until it can take over the corporate desktop.
    I've effectively used Linux on a desktop on corporate business trips for over 4 years. ... Should I throw it out now? ...

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    4. Can never take over the corporate desktop until the user experience is less technical and simplified.
    ditto my above note.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    That's it in a nutshell. I spend more time setting up, tweaking, adjusting, and working through OS issues than I spend doing any kind of productive work.
    hmmm ... did I mention how much time my wife has wasted trying to get Vista to work? The time on Linux is dwarfed in comparison. Wireless still does not work on our Laptop for Vista.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    Install was far better than previous versions, but still much further to go. YAST repositories to a non-Linux user would be foreign, and even being a tech consultant, the need to set up multiple repositories is a pain.
    Agree the repository concept is foreign. A claim that repositories are a pain to set up strikes me as malarkey. For openSUSE one needs only 4 repositories. OSS, Non-OSS, Update and Packman. The 1st 3 are already setup. There is guidance for the 4th here (for 11.1): Repositories/11.1 - openSUSE-Community Again, just those 4. OSS, Non-OSS, Update and Packman. No others. I fail to see the pain.

    But I definitely agree the concept is foreign.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    The whole experience is very technical in nature, as a result adoption by the average corporate or desktop user, which is what is needed to promote widespread adoption won't happen until that is changed
    My 83 year old mother is far from technical. Yet she is managing well with Linux. So I guess you are saying the average corporate desktop user is less computer savy than her? ... Hmmm ... I guess I will have to tell her that. She is suffering now with a sore knee and that might cheer her up.

    Quote Originally Posted by wjwood64 View Post
    Great product but not ready for primetime for me.
    Fair enough. I believe we should all use the computer operating system that suits us best. I have many friends who are winXP fans, and some that are MacIntosh fans. We don't rant and flame each other for our respective operating system use, but as friends we enjoy telling each other about some of the neat things we can do.

    I notice this is only your second post here.

    If you have trouble with openSUSE Linux, please post in our help areas, and we have many volunteers who will try to help you. We do NOT package openSUSE here, nor do we have Novell packagers provide support here. Rather we are just volunteers and some enthusiasts who try to help.

    Note - I am going to edit/remove the URL from your post. That can be viewed as spam.
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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    Actually, Linux is replacing a lot of corporate Windows desktops RIGHT NOW IBM has done it internally, various Police offices have done it all over the world and there are others too who are either doing it right now or are planning to do so in the (near) future.

    As for "never effectively compete" with MS, that's *******s. Linux is making a killing at the high end space... (file, web, DB) servers, mainframes, clusters, etc a lot of them belong to Linux. It is actually MS that is struggling to keep its position there

    And we're NOT concerned with "beating" Microsoft. We want to provide a free alternative to Microsoft, where people have the choice not where the company chooses for them. Yes, you're right, Linux certainly needs work on wrt to desktop and such but it's moving at a huge speed in this area while MS has introduced in their past two OSes (Fista and 7) nothing really that"ll make you go drooling. In fact, MS has made lots of things even worse and they have certainly copied some things from others too

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    The goal of linux is not taking down Windows. The fanboys may confuse you but it is not. The goal is improving Linux and the projects connected with it. As someone in the forum said before -we don't want unhappy Windows users, we want happy Linux users.
    Also you are not talking of simplifying the user experience. You are talking of making it more windows like because most of the people are using Windows. But this doesn't mean the Windows way is better.
    And last the repos. Well it is not that hard. I'm not that deep in Linux stuff. I'm using Linux for about a year and openSUSE for about 8-9 months but even in the begining it wasn't hard. It is written very well in the documentation so even a beginer can do it. Being stupid is not an excuse (i'm not addressing that to you). If you want to use Linux you must learn the Linux way of doing things. The same is with Mac. If you want it you must learn the Mac way of doing stuff

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    Hey Siminin, you left one out:
    If you want to use Linux you must learn the Linux way of doing things. The same is with Mac. If you want it you must learn the Mac way of doing stuff
    If you want to use windows 7....................gotta learn it just like you gotta learn linux....

    And I suppose I must fork out $300 or so for the so called "business" edition of windows 7 before the new wave of computers hits the stands with their compulsory win7 oses. I never bought a vista for myself, and that puts me at a disadvantage now. I've heard some techos saying it's stabler and less quirky than vista, which would be a blessing for we who make a living thanks to microsoft and softwares that run on it (like e.g. sap).

    I guess one of the points emerging in this thread is that it's a real world out there. It's fine to be a fan of Linux, like me, but I have difficulty with the reality lodged in the minds of ppl who would (say they) hate microsoft while concurrently enjoying all the benefits of its ubiquitous presence.

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    Quote Originally Posted by swerdna View Post
    If you want to use windows 7....................gotta learn it just like you gotta learn linux....
    Well Windows 7 is not that different from XP. I would compare it more to switching from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4 But everyone should talk for himself.
    Financial side is a whole other thing. You decide if you want to pay (or pirate) for something you know or for something free and better but takes a little effort to change your Windows habbits.

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    > If you want to beat Microsoft

    i can't imagine why anyone here would wanna "beat" them..

    they make pretty good systems for the technically challenged and
    gamers...but, their servers and back office stuff is just not up to it
    (i can't understand why the US government keeps buying their stuff,
    and having huge department web sites go off the net, or Navy ships
    that can't...laughable, really)

    nope, no one on earth could beat them better than they beat themselves..

    give'em time and they will roll out some more Bob, Vista, BOSD,
    botnets and etc....and, some more pretty good game boxes..

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    No flame just a observation.

    I would be upset if I had to deal with Saps. Most of them are hairy and drag their knuckles on the floor. And the stuff they throw around... well best not to touch that one.

    If you are having difficulty why not simply ask for help? Many folks here and at other Linux Forums are happy to volunteer their time and expertise. As for usability for Linux, it works probably better in a Corporate setting than it does at home. The Corporate world doesn't generally worry about media playback and getting the bargain basement after market hardware to work with their systems. Nor would they wish more programs downloaded from Repos that were not previously approved by the IT Staff.

    So really your points are without merit. Not to say that Linux does not have many issues, just that your post did not cover them (In my opinion).

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    Default Re: My Take on Linux - Will it Ever Beat Windows?

    I smell a troll... though am not entirely certain yet... I need to sniff some more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siminin View Post
    The goal of linux is not taking down Windows. The fanboys may confuse you but it is not. The goal is improving Linux and the projects connected with it. As someone in the forum said before -we don't want unhappy Windows users, we want happy Linux users.
    Thanks for the quote and insight.

    If the Linux community would step back and think about it, they wouldn't have to work to dominate the OS arena.

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    Stop and think about the "corporate" groups that have adopted Linux. Hollywood graphics and animation artists (and I would bet that Macs dominate there more than Linux), Boeing, and IBM (to name a few). And what do all of these organizations have in common other than Linux? They are highly technical and engineering oriented.

    That is my point, Linux is a powerful a OS, however it is not widely adopted by the end user because of the things that long time Linux users take for granted. The "do X and that solves the problem"...

    Frankly EVERY Linux commandline "fix" or requirement should be converted to a script that is attached to an iconic semaphore (i.e. a graphic image representing the command) so that it is more useful.

    For widespread adoption an end user should never have to use the command prompt. Wanna make it useful? Convert every common command line requirement to a script and attach a meaningful icon. That would go a LONG way...

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