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Thread: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

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    falkTX NNTP User

    Default Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Hi there guys, this is my first post here!!

    I'm a 3 year happy Ubuntu user, but I always "had feelings" for openSUSE. I didn't use it sooner cause my WIFI didn't work on SUSE but it did on Ubuntu, so...

    But now that 11.2 is about to be released, I'm considering changing

    Before that happens, I kindly ask for your time answering my little questions:

    1 - How's the Intel graphics performance?
    (In the latest Ubuntu 9.10 beta, mesa7.6 & xorg-intel2.9.0, it plays really nice)

    2 - 11.2 will have the 2.6.31 kernel; does that mean KMS will be available?
    (it is on ubuntu to come)

    3 - I like to see the boot logo, and openSUSE always had good boot screens. If 11.2 has KMS, does it mean the boot usplash/splashy will use my laptop's full resolution?
    (1366x768, and will it be 24bit color depth?)

    4 - Is it finally now in 11.2 that openSUSE has support for LVM2 encrypted root filesystems?
    (using LUKS/LVM/whaterver; I want&need full encrypted disk)

    5 - How many 3rd-party repositories exist for openSUSE?
    (I'm used to use Ubuntu's PPAs, which are a LOT)

    6 - I noticed that 11.2 will have amarok2.1; how easy/hard would be to install v2.2?

    last one:
    7 - Will I have to compile some not-so-known applications, or are there repositories for almost everything?


    (thanks in advance)

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    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Have a look here...

    Software.openSUSE.org

    Anything you select from there will optionally install a repo from the build service, which is not really any different from a PPA from a user's perspective - although it's a heck of an innovation from a builder's perspective, I understand (these things are beyond me...)

    Intel performance is variable, depends on your hardware - but that's the driver at the moment, and will be true of any distro. I think we're through the worst of it - I'm finding it fine on a 945 GMA.

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    falkTX NNTP User

    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Quote Originally Posted by Confuseling View Post
    Have a look here...

    Software.openSUSE.org

    Anything you select from there will optionally install a repo from the build service, which is not really any different from a PPA from a user's perspective - although it's a heck of an innovation from a builder's perspective, I understand (these things are beyond me...)

    Intel performance is variable, depends on your hardware - but that's the driver at the moment, and will be true of any distro. I think we're through the worst of it - I'm finding it fine on a 945 GMA.
    I had forgotten the 1-Click-install. That's really nice!
    I'm using an Intel MHD4500 (not really sure about the name)

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    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    If you do:
    Code:
    /sbin/lspci -nnk
    In a terminal it should give some info on your VGA (it will be at the start of the output)
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    Quote Originally Posted by caf4926 View Post
    If you do:
    Code:
    /sbin/lspci -nnk
    In a terminal it should give some info on your VGA (it will be at the start of the output)
    Code:
    falktx@falkTX-Laptop:~$ lspci -nnk                                          
    00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a40] (rev 07)
            Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel                                                                     
            Kernel modules: intel-agp
    Can anyone please answer my little questions...?

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    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Have you tried the live CD for 11.2 M8?

    Thanks for the output but it doesn't really clarify anything for me I'm afraid.

    This what mine looks like:
    00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a00] (rev 0c)
    Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
    Kernel modules: intel-agp
    00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 0c)
    Kernel modules: intelfb
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    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    1 - How's the Intel graphics performance?
    (In the latest Ubuntu 9.10 beta, mesa7.6 & xorg-intel2.9.0, it plays really nice)
    Same driver (yes, also 2.9.0), same behavior...

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    2 - 11.2 will have the 2.6.31 kernel; does that mean KMS will be available?
    (it is on ubuntu to come)
    Doesn't this just depends of the kernel/X.org version? I expect it to be available for some drivers, not for others... like in any other distro.

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    3 - I like to see the boot logo, and openSUSE always had good boot screens. If 11.2 has KMS, does it mean the boot usplash/splashy will use my laptop's full resolution?
    (1366x768, and will it be 24bit color depth?)
    If I'm not wrong we still use bootsplash.

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    4 - Is it finally now in 11.2 that openSUSE has support for LVM2 encrypted root filesystems?
    (using LUKS/LVM/whaterver; I want&need full encrypted disk)
    No idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    5 - How many 3rd-party repositories exist for openSUSE?
    (I'm used to use Ubuntu's PPAs, which are a LOT)
    Just go to
    Index of /repositories
    Index of /repositories/home:
    to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    6 - I noticed that 11.2 will have amarok2.1; how easy/hard would be to install v2.2?
    I already have it in 11.1... easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by falkTX View Post
    7 - Will I have to compile some not-so-known applications, or are there repositories for almost everything?
    Just check yourself: Webpin
    But if you are going to compile something yourself... create also a package and it will be available for anyone.

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    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    So, webpin appears to be a general package search, whereas the build service will actually automatically rebuild packages against newer libraries and things...? But presumably the maintainer of a package does need to upload newer upstream source when it becomes available?

    Can anyone clarify?

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    falkTX NNTP User

    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Thanks RedDwarf for the clarification.

    In the 11.2 announcement there's a phrase:
    It is now possible to encrypt the complete hard disk.
    Finally! I wonder why openSUSE took so long to implement it while Ubuntu has it since 8.04 (1+1/2 years)

    I'll definitely try the latest Milestone LiveCD (USB).
    Thanks for the help so far

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    Default Re: Maybe leaving Ubuntu for openSUSE - need some answers

    Perhaps because SUSE has been more server orientated, and that's more of a laptop thing. This (11.2) is the first release with an official desktop kernel option.

    Anyone got an answer to my question? I've nosed around the build service, but I can't find a clear answer.

    What is the actual process for rebuilding a package in the build service? Does it automagically rebuild against new libraries as they appear in the distro it's built against? Does it automagically pull in new source?

    Pointers to documentation welcome - I just can't find it...

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