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    As most of you are aware, openSUSE recently posted an announcement
    that applications to join a Core Testing Team were being accepted, and
    that they planned to choose 10 members. I'm not aware of all the
    details; however, they ended up accepting 25 of the applications. So
    far, I am the only member with a major interest in wifi. How the team
    works, and what we do is still being planned, but it is openSUSE's
    idea that the team be in charge of deciding what tests should be done,
    and what priority they should receive. Our responsibilities in
    conducting such tests is expected to have lower priority than the
    planning. We will certainly automate tests where possible.

    Given the difficulties introduced by changes in the networking code
    during 11.1 upgrades, and additional failures during the 11.2 Mx
    series, I will be proposing a matrix of tests to accompany every
    change in the NetworkManager and other wireless components. My initial
    thoughts on the combinations that need to be tested are as follows:

    (a) Control with NetworkManager/traditional ifup
    (b) Encryption choices: None, WEP, WPA, WPA2
    (c) IP assignement by DHCP/static IP
    (d) Gnome/KDE/Other(?) window manager
    (e) i386/x86_64/PPC architectures
    (f) drivers

    Without considering alternative window managers or drivers, there are
    still 96 combinations, and complete test coverage will be difficult.
    If my proposal is accepted, I will do my best to test those
    combinations pertinent to my hardware. I do not, however, have access
    to PPC hardware. Testing there is quite important, as most other
    architectures are little-endian.

    Please let me know of any important categories that I have missed, and
    any combinations in the matrix that you have tested, along with the
    description of the distribution that you tested.

    Thanks, Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Finger
    As most of you are aware, openSUSE recently posted
    an announcement that applications to join a Core Testing Team were
    being accepted, and that they planned to choose 10 members. I'm not
    aware of all the details; however, they ended up accepting 25 of the
    applications. So far, I am the only member with a major interest in
    wifi. How the team works, and what we do is still being planned, but it
    is openSUSE's idea that the team be in charge of deciding what tests
    should be done, and what priority they should receive. Our
    responsibilities in conducting such tests is expected to have lower
    priority than the planning. We will certainly automate tests where
    possible.

    Given the difficulties introduced by changes in the networking code
    during 11.1 upgrades, and additional failures during the 11.2 Mx
    series, I will be proposing a matrix of tests to accompany every
    change in the NetworkManager and other wireless components. My initial
    thoughts on the combinations that need to be tested are as follows:

    (a) Control with NetworkManager/traditional ifup
    (b) Encryption choices: None, WEP, WPA, WPA2
    (c) IP assignement by DHCP/static IP
    (d) Gnome/KDE/Other(?) window manager
    (e) i386/x86_64/PPC architectures
    (f) drivers

    Without considering alternative window managers or drivers, there are
    still 96 combinations, and complete test coverage will be difficult.
    If my proposal is accepted, I will do my best to test those
    combinations pertinent to my hardware. I do not, however, have access
    to PPC hardware. Testing there is quite important, as most other
    architectures are little-endian.

    Please let me know of any important categories that I have missed, and
    any combinations in the matrix that you have tested, along with the
    description of the distribution that you tested.

    Thanks, Larry
    Hi Larry
    Congratulations So will you be doing any IEEE 802.11i/n testing? Was
    thinking of upgrading the router to an n version here now I have an
    ath9k device, but wasn't sure of the status.

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    Malcolm wrote:
    > Hi Larry
    > Congratulations So will you be doing any IEEE 802.11i/n testing? Was
    > thinking of upgrading the router to an n version here now I have an
    > ath9k device, but wasn't sure of the status.


    Thanks.

    No, I won't be doing any 802.11n testing myself as I have no 802.11n
    hardware. In addition, the 802.11n support in mac80211 is still
    primitive; however, it is improving. As the level of support grows, we
    will need more testing and testers.

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    Default Re: openSUSE Core Testing Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Finger
    Malcolm wrote:
    > Hi Larry
    > Congratulations So will you be doing any IEEE 802.11i/n testing?
    > Was thinking of upgrading the router to an n version here now I have
    > an ath9k device, but wasn't sure of the status.


    Thanks.

    No, I won't be doing any 802.11n testing myself as I have no 802.11n
    hardware. In addition, the 802.11n support in mac80211 is still
    primitive; however, it is improving. As the level of support grows, we
    will need more testing and testers.
    Hi
    Well if you have a recommendation on a 'n' router to purchase (was
    looking at linksys) that would assist in some way, please advise and am
    will to help

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    Advise will be difficult, as "N" is still a draft and not a standard.

    As a consequence, different vendors have (slightly or even not so slightly) different implementations, meaning that sometimes "Draft N" does not work as expected with certain combinations router/client although both are "Draft N capable", very often (I don't know if it was linksys, netgear or one of the other "well known" vendors) limiting good functionality to their "own" products (client + router) with making other combinations an exciting new type of "roulette".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akoellh
    Advise will be difficult, as "N" is still a draft and not a standard.

    As a consequence, different vendors have (slightly or even not so
    slightly) different implementations, meaning that sometimes "Draft N"
    does not work as expected with certain combinations router/client
    although both are "Draft N capable", very often (I don't know if it was
    linksys, netgear or one of the other "well known" vendors) limiting good
    functionality to their "own" products (client + router) with making
    other combinations an exciting new type of "roulette".
    Hi
    Thanks for that Although maybe not for too much longer;
    http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...Wi_Fi_standard

    I guess I need to read up on the atheros and their n implementation to
    see if there is a good combination with a router.

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    Malcolm wrote:
    > Thanks for that Although maybe not for too much longer;
    > http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...Wi_Fi_standard
    >
    > I guess I need to read up on the atheros and their n implementation to
    > see if there is a good combination with a router.


    I just posted a query on the wireless mailing list where the Atheros
    developers hang out asking about their implementation and the best AP
    for use with ath9k. I'll post what I learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmlewis View Post
    Hi
    Thanks for that Although maybe not for too much longer;
    IEEE stamps 'approved' on 802.11n Wi-Fi standard
    Good news in fact.

    The only question is now, how long it will take for the vendors to (re)act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Finger
    Malcolm wrote:
    > Thanks for that Although maybe not for too much longer;
    > http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...Wi_Fi_standard
    >
    > I guess I need to read up on the atheros and their n implementation to
    > see if there is a good combination with a router.


    I just posted a query on the wireless mailing list where the Atheros
    developers hang out asking about their implementation and the best AP
    for use with ath9k. I'll post what I learn.
    Hi Larry
    Thank you for doing that, it's much appreciated

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    Default Re: openSUSE Core Testing Team

    Quote Originally Posted by Akoellh
    malcolmlewis;2039587 Wrote:
    > Hi
    > Thanks for that Although maybe not for too much longer;
    > 'IEEE stamps 'approved' on 802.11n Wi-Fi standard'
    > (http://tinyurl.com/oadojt)


    Good news in fact.

    The only question is now, how long it will take for the vendors to
    (re)act.
    Windows 9 maybe?

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