Jo.
Since a few days I am working on some important projects and therefore I need win applications to run as fast as possible.
Right now I do not have the possibility to test performance, but my ultimate question is: For running applications of different kind (maybe even some games) which one would be faster: Wine, running directly under OpenSuse or Win, running in VMware?
Thanks for your statements.
TheMask adjusted his/her AFDB on Saturday 15 Aug 2009 21:26 to write:
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> Jo.
> Since a few days I am working on some important projects and therefore
> I need win applications to run as fast as possible.
> Right now I do not have the possibility to test performance, but my
> ultimate question is: For running applications of different kind (maybe
> even some games) which one would be faster: Wine, running directly under
> OpenSuse or Win, running in VMware?
>
> Thanks for your statements.
>
>
It would all depend on which app, now for normal applications that are not
graphic intensive like COD4, UT3 I use virtualbox and even this can do some
stuff with graphics, but if I want to play a really graphic intensive game
that requires the real grunt of my cards then I will use wine.
It is horses for courses, why not try both and see which one gives the best
performance per application/game.
HTH
Mark
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That is what I intendet to do. Now… would you recommend to use just WINE or some wine manager like CrossOver? Which other managers are out there?
If it runs OK on wine, why get Crossover. The only good thing about crossover is that it automates lots of the wine configs. At the end of the day though, it is value-added wine - it relies on it’s own wine variants to run windows apps.
Like you have already said:
Try using an eval crossover and compare it to wine.
At the end of the day though, most windows apps probably run faster on windows.
TheMask adjusted his/her AFDB on Sunday 16 Aug 2009 00:06 to write:
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> That is what I intendet to do. Now… would you recommend to use just
> WINE or some wine manager like CrossOver? Which other managers are out
> there?
>
>
I could not tell you honestly, the only programs I run under wine are a few
old games like Half life ( original ), SOF2, and I think some other stuff
which I have had since I first installed many years ago and just carry them
round on a DVD and copy them over and tweak the config files by hand, they
all still run and that is about it.
Anything else I use either a linux alternative or if I need to test
something on Windows ( for work ) then I flash up Virtualbox.
I do have a vista and XP install on these machines here for really serious
stuff like COD if I feel like it but I have found that that can be run under
wine so the next time I feel like getting my ^$$ whooped I might install it
on Linux 
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Mark
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Honestly, i don’t see much use for CrossOver.
May be that CrossOver makes some configuration easier, but that’s the whole point: People just don’t care about organs. They live. And if something doesn’t work, they die.
USE WINE, PEOPLE. IT ROCKS. 
Here are two more questions I would like to see answered:
I use wine from Education.
I get all the Icons with my installed apps
TheMask adjusted his/her AFDB on Sunday 16 Aug 2009 02:26 to write:
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> Honestly, i don’t see much use for CrossOver.
> May be that CrossOver makes some configuration easier, but that’s the
> whole point: People just don’t care about organs. They live. And if
> something doesn’t work, they die.
> USE WINE, PEOPLE. IT ROCKS.
>
>
IIRC crossover tends to be slightly more advanced than wine ( or it used to
be, support for DirectX and stuff was more advanced in Crossover ), wine
gets backports on the latest developments a bit later so there is a delay
and wine can be a bit “rough” compared to Crossover.
Not sure if that still holds true though.
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Mark
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Not so long ago, there was a short time frame when Crossover was being offered for free.
I downloaded and briefly trialled it. My wife was initially more excited about it than I, as she found she could open her MS-Office documents with Crossover Office. It used to be one can not easily do the same with wine, without a lot of configuration (I have not checked wine recently with MS-Office). My wife was excited only briefly, … once she discovered that she could not do a copy and paste between running MS-Office docs (such as Excel to MS-Word, or MS-Access to MS-Word … ) when running under Cross over (identical to what she can do with WinXP), her enthusiasm stopped, and she moved back to Windoze. … Of course it goes with out saying that I have failed totally in convincing her to go with Open/Star Office.
Good. Without using CrossOver, I’m missing a graphical interface for WINE though.
I get icons with installed apps too, but certainly i’m missing the ones of installers and standalone applications.
Here’s my biggest concern though: Since WINE makes it possible for windows applications to be integrated into the system, viruses should be able to run themselves too.
Would someone please shine a little light on this topic? Thanks.
I read an amusing article some time back, of some masochistic Linux user, who tried hard to get some MS Windows virus to run on wine. Needless to say, the results were less than stellar. A top level philosophical reason being wine tends to be application specific, and does not offer a virtual OS in which a virus can run.
Let me clarify this: IF the worst thing happens and some crap passes my firewall it would not be able to run itself. I don´t understand that. If .exe can be executed, why not some arbitrary code?
And it is it even possible to let wine show the icons of standalone applications?
Just a note here you can use the latest office 2007 with Wine (no need for crossover) and you can copy and paste. Just tested copying between excel and word
/Geoff
Ok thanks for that update … it was not just excel and word. It was also power point to word and possibly one or two other copy/paste operations between MS applications.
Great. Don’t need that right now. Three questions:
And just where is the .exe going to execute? Wine is not a virtual operating system. Wine is not an emulator. And what is the .exe going to do? Its likely hard coded to look for C: and D: and an MS-Windows file structure, of which wine only has a very small subset.
TheMask adjusted his/her AFDB on Sunday 16 Aug 2009 16:26 to write:
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> Let me clarify this: IF the worst thing happens and some crap passes my
> firewall it would not be able to run itself. I don´t understand that. If
> .exe can be executed, why not some arbitrary code?
> And it is it even possible to let wine show the icons of standalone
> applications?
>
>
Few things to mull over:
1 Wine does not use the ms kernel, in fact it does not use anything ms
unless you use native libraries
2 the file structure is totally different if not non-existent
3 for a giggle I actually tried to infect wine with a virus just to see what
would happen, if DID sorta install itself but was totally confused and could
not start or operate at all, great way of studying where they try and put
the files and such.
If perchance you did get your wine infected then what would it do… Ummm
not a lot to your system cos that is linux, there have been no virus as far
as I can find that have the ability to cross over from wine to linux.
A question to you though, how would you be getting a virus in wine?
Unless you are installing dodgy stuff then you have no fear, if you are
installing dodgy stuff then you deserve anything you catch.
And if your wine does get infected just delete the dir, fixed.
A little logical thought would have brought you to the same conclusions.
Mark
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Great you actually took the time to try that. Thanks.
Now for my other question: Is it somehow possible to let wine show the icons of standalone applications?
Is it somehow possible to let wine show the icons of standalone applications?
Stand alone? As opposed to what?
Icons where?
I get Icons for apps I install.