I’d like to upgrade my Suse 10 to the latest Suse 11 package.
Is it possible to upgrade rather than totally replace, so I don’t lose all the desktop and other stuff I already have? If so, how?
When you say suse 10 to suse 11, do you mean upgrade SUSE 10 to openSUSE 11.1, or are you talking about Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 to 11?
Whatever system you are updating, the answer is partly - are just just talking about user preferences or are you talking about changes elsewhere, eg. to /etc?
If you are talking about user preferences these are all in /home and, as long as you have a separate /home partition or backup /home before installing the new version, you can generally take these from version to version.
The problem will be if you are a KDE user because any upgrade now will be to KDE4 and not all preferences will carry over/you will have to do some work transferring the hidden files from the older to the newer system.
So if you are using Gnome, you will find any upgrade much easier; however, to ‘upgrade’ you will have to install a new version of the system files because the upgrade option normally only operates between two adjacent versions.
Thanks.
I’m talking of upgrading from Suse 10 to the latest stable Suse 11. I’m assuming that that will improve running overall as well as adding latest printer drivers and suchlike. Also, automatic updating for Suse 10 versions has ceased, as you will know.
At present I’m using KDE GIF etc. What kinds of preferences are you referring to?
He’s referring to user preferences (in /home/YOURUSERNAME) and system preferences (in /etc). What exactly do you want to preserve, only the first part or everything?
Question remains: are you running SUSE or openSUSE? There is a difference (see elsewhere).
Upgrading (certainly after years of usage and upgrading individual packages) from any 10.x version to 11.1 wouldn’t be my choice. Then again, if everything is mostly standard, it could work.
And: 10.3 is still supported and will be for a while.
About KDE4: see one of the latest announcements; Stephan Binner provided us with KDE4 4.3 live cd’s that can be used to install. This would save the time installing 4.1.3 from the 11.1 CD/DVD and upgrading it afterwards. These Live-CD’s contain all official updates since 11.1 release.
to me it sounds like you are using SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
(SLED) 10 and are asking questions about upgrading to SLED 11…
those are commercial products sold and supported by Novell through
their forums.novell.com
since many here have never run either SLED or SLES (Server) and have
NOT upgraded from one to another, i expect you will get better answers
there…
openSUSE is the ‘proving grounds’ that eventually lead to the
commercial product–the two are similar but not the same…
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goldie
My system details are:-
OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-0.13-default i686
Current user: howard@linux-0qmt
System: openSUSE 10.2 (i586)
KDE: 3.5.5 “release 45.10”
I’m beginning to get bewildered by all the options and questions now. Would I be perhaps better to install the downloaded OpenSuse 11 separately, and then transfer stuff as necessary ??
The reason you were presented with so many options was because saying you use SUSE 10 is vague. If you said openSUSE 10.2 to start with, you would not be confused now.
Your best bet at the moment is to backup the contents of your /home folder and then install Carlos KDE3 version of openSUSE 11.1 available from openSUSE News » Unofficial KDE 3.5 Live CD for openSUSE 11.1
(If you have a separate /home partition, still back up for safety.)
This will mean you can simply transfer the relevant hidden (and visible) files from your backup to the new installation and you won’t have the problem of migrating them to KDE4 for another eighteen months.
> I’m beginning to get bewildered by all the options and questions now.
in the future, you may avoid confusing questions by providing correct
and complete information in the first post (eg, “Suse 10” is NOT
openSUSE 10.2)
back to your initial post (“Is it possible to upgrade rather than
totally replace, so I don’t lose all the desktop and other stuff I
already have? If so, how?”) and NOW knowing you have openSUSE 10.2
my answer, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade
where you will find that upgrading is officially not supported, but if
it were, even then there is no how given for 10.2 to 11.x
so, follow advice already given by john_hudson
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If you have a separate /home partition, I would rather do a fresh install.
The upgrade option works, but sometimes leaves problems afterward.
If you backup your data, you can try the upgrade option when 11.x boots. If it worked for you fine, if not, do a fresh install.
Hi,
I wanted to upgrade from openSuse 10.1 to 11.1. Is there a easy way to upgrade 10.1->10.3 to use the instructions from the post above ?
> I wanted to upgrade from openSuse 10.1 to 11.1. Is there a easy way to
> upgrade 10.1->10.3 to use the instructions from the post above ?
no, but define “easy”…
if you did a 10.1 default install then you are probably using the
reiser file system AND your /home is on the SAME partition as your
root system directory…
“upgrading” from 10.1 to 10.3 presents the SAME problems and dangers
as trying to upgrade from 10.1 to 11.1
you MUST backup (or move) your /home or it WILL be formatted away,
wiped out, destroyed, lost forever, gone for good…and, my best
advice is to NOT use reiser, but instead opt for ext3…
by the way: if you are using KDE3 in 10.1 you are gonna be SHOCKED by
what KDE4.1 looks like and acts in 11.1
read around and get some other opinions…the forums are open for
browsing…
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goldie
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aaahh…pfff…ugh…confused
Sorry, I have no idea about this. I just have a virtual server, no KDE or like this. I only have ssh access. An easy way is any working way I can understand. I don’T worry about any deleted stuff. If something is gone that I need I will load an old backup. So I can do something risky.
Is it in you opinion better to upgrade directly to 11.1 ?
LordLommel wrote:
> An easy way is any working way I can understand.
see, i have NO idea what you can understand and what you can’t…
so far it seems there is some difficulty understanding words…
> Is it in you opinion better to upgrade directly to 11.1 ?
my opinion is exactly as others have already said in this thread and
many others:
- backup /home (and all other ‘data’ originated by you/users)
- do a fresh install from the newest DVD
- copy/move needed data from the backed up /home to the new install
“The official method of upgrading to a new release is by using the
latest DVD.” http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade
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goldie
This ist my problem: I have no DVD slot. This is a virtual server and everything I have is my SSH Tool. My /home is empty and I don’T know which filesystem is used or simulated.
LordLommel wrote:
> This ist my problem: I have no DVD slot.
so, i guess you are forced to do a network install
> This is a virtual server
what does that mean? do you have a VM on a main frame somewhere that
you access via ssh? is it a virtual server leased to you by a web
hosting site? which one? do they have a help page? a FAQ? (don’t ask
me to read it for you!!!)
how did the 10.1 get installed?
maybe now you just need to upload the DVD’s .iso file, and then point
to it (rather than the 10.1 image) for loading into the VM…OR
what? (see, it is not my virtual server so i had NO idea how you set
it up, where you set up, how it had 10.1 loaded, why it hasn’t been
updated since December 2006!!! or anything else about your server…
can you maybe contact the server’s administrator and get some info on
how you are supposed to upgrade??
> everything I have is my SSH Tool.
which is all any good administrator needs, huh?
> My /home is empty
hmmmmmmmm…what IS on the server…what does it ‘serve’? where is
what it ‘serves’ kept?
> and I don’T know
> which filesystem is used or simulated.
are you even sure that you actually need to install 11.1, or do you
just want to…
what is the point of your initial question: to learn if it is possible
to upgrade a “virtual server” from one OS to another, or what?
you need to show me some willingness to do something OTHER than just
ask questions and hope for an easy way to get from here to there…
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goldie
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Teach man and you feed him for a lifetime.
Sorry, I have not much ideas of the terminology and such stuff. The most things I know about linux I learned via try-and-error on my server. I don’t know much about installing options and filesystems because I had no choice about this. I ordered this server a the German provider Strato in November 2007.
The 10.1 version was the best choice at this time (they only had 10.0 and 10.1). I don’t know how they installed it. I just choose the installation and click on install. Maybe they just copy a pre-installed virtual disk. This is one of ten virtual servers on a mainfame.
I called them and asked about the update. They said the kerner is ready for openSuse 11.1 but I have to update myself. No more information. They don’t told me the location of the special Strato repositories for 11.1. The only tip I got was that I can copy my data and do a fresh install. In the FAQ I found nothing about any upgrading.
For maintaining the server I have a weak backend (only for rebooting, restoring a backup and for a fresh installation and such stuff), Putty and a ftp client.
I don’t need to upgrade soon. But I have no repositories for the newest versions of PHP, SQL etc. So it could be a problem. I don’t want to work with old versions. I upgraded in spring 2008 to the newest patches. But later they changed to 10.3 and removed the repositories for 10.1. I don’t want to compile the packages for myself.
I don’t need a complete solution. But atm I’ve tried everything I know. I need an idea what else I can do. I got the tip to upgrade with yast but the package dependencies let it fail. Also zypper could not installed, because I only have the 10.3 version and this don’t match with my 10.1. This I tried yesterday. I’ve no idea what else I can try. I just need a hint.
What services do you use on the server? Is it mainly for file sharing and web server or are you using it for something else?
Also, since they (strato.de) are now offering pre-installed 11.1, I would either backup my data and ask them to do the install or leave it as it is.
My SLED10 server works fine and I haven’t found a need to upgrade it yet.
The rule is: If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
can a German speaker look at http://www.strato.de/ and find the howto
to follow to update from 10.1 to 11.1
LordLommel wrote:
> I ordered this server a the German provider Strato
>
> I called them and asked about the update. They said the kerner is
> ready for openSuse 11.1 but I have to update myself. No more
> information.
but they do have an FAQ and a help section on their web site, right?
if not, i BET they will do the update from 10.1 to 11.1 for you for a
small FEE…ask’em…
> They don’t told me the location of the special Strato repositories
> for 11.1. The only tip I got was that I can copy my data and do a
> fresh install. In the FAQ I found nothing about any upgrading.
ok LordLommel: i’ve told you a couple of times now to forget
upgrading, and Strato told you to do a fresh install…fresh
install is NOT an upgrade…you can NOT do an upgrade of 10.1 to 11.1…
instead, look again at the FAQ an follow previous instructions to
copy your data to a safe place and then do a FRESH install…i guess
the FAQ tells you how to do that…
>
> For maintaining the server I have a weak backend (only for
> rebooting, restoring a backup and for a fresh installation and such
> stuff), Putty and a ftp client.
THERE IT IS…you have access “for a fresh installation” dig around in
there!
> I got the tip to upgrade with yast but the package dependencies let
> it fail. Also zypper could not installed, because I only have the
> 10.3 version and this don’t match with my 10.1. This I tried
> yesterday. I’ve no idea what else I can try. I just need a hint.
no, you need to read and understand the hints you have been
given…here it is one more time:
HINT!: stop trying to upgrade from 10.1 to 11.1 and do a fresh install…
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goldie
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