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    Default XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    I am an average Windows user and new to Linux. Trying to install Suse for a dual boot on my Dell Dimension E310 with XP and 1GB RAM, with C, D and reinstall partitions.
    I can boot from a live CD but don't understand how to install SUSE 11.1 on my D (or sda3 drive).
    Ideally, I should be able to partition this drive in 2 - 9GB for SUSE and the rest for Windows.
    The pics will show how far I went before aborting. Prior to installing SUSE, I need to see a specific confirmation since cannot risk to have my entire hard drive wiped out.
    Any help would be appreciated. I don't understand the third pic - does it want me to install SUSE on the entire hard drive?

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    Default Re: XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    Your fundamental problem is that openSUSE wants rather more space than you are offering which is why it is proposing to take over sda2. The only way you can fit it onto sda3 is to do an expert partition of sda3 only, setting / to 8Gb, swap to 1Gb and /home to 9Gb or thereabouts. In practice you may get away with less than 8Gb for / if you restrict the number of applications you install and you could make swap 512Mb to save a bit more.

    When you do it this way, make sure you also mount the windows partition as /windows/c at the same time as the openSUSE installer won't assume this for you in expert partitioning.

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    Default Re: XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    storo13 adjusted his/her AFDB on Sunday 02 Aug 2009 17:56 to write:

    >
    > I am an average Windows user and new to Linux. Trying to install Suse
    > for a dual boot on my Dell Dimension E310 with XP and 1GB RAM, with C,
    > D and reinstall partitions.
    > I can boot from a live CD but don't understand how to install SUSE 11.1
    > on my D (or sda3 drive).
    > Ideally, I should be able to partition this drive in 2 - 9GB for SUSE
    > and the rest for Windows.
    > The pics will show how far I went before aborting. Prior to installing
    > SUSE, I need to see a specific confirmation since cannot risk to
    > have my entire hard drive wiped out.
    > Any help would be appreciated. I don't understand the third pic - does
    > it want me to install SUSE on the entire hard drive?
    >
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    >


    You might find this a bit tricky, what you have there is a drive that is
    already filled to the max with Primary partitions.

    Only 4 are allowed per disk.

    To get round this you need to delete one partition and create and "Extended"
    partition which can then hold many more "Secondary" partitions.

    However the way your disk is laid out it could be very very difficult.

    What would be one way would be to delete sda3, shrink sda2 to give you some
    more slack space and then create the Extended in the spare space between
    sda2 and sda4 which would then let you create as many secondary partitions
    as you need in that partition ( one for / at least 10 gig, swap would be
    another 1 gig at least and the rest for /home ) the size of home is up to
    you but the more the better and at least 5 gig is recommended.

    Now the down side of this is that I am not sure what will happen to sda4, it
    could possibly be fine and no probs or if it shifts it position to say sda7
    then will your restore function work if you need it????

    Having worked on a few Dulls in my lifetime I will not even guess what will
    happen.

    It might go all nice and smooth or you could end up in a terrible mess.

    If it was me and the hardware will accept another drive (laptops and some
    desktop machines do not either have 2 ide ports or do not have the physical
    space) then I would just get another drive any size over 20gig will do and
    add that as a slave and use that just for SuSE and not touch the Master Dell
    one.

    I am afraid you will have to tread carefully with this one and to coin a
    phrase"Do you feel lucky?"


    HTH

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    Question Re: XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    As said, I am very new to Linux and will have to take it one step at a time.
    Since 4 partitions are the max, I removed everything from sda3 and the total available for SUSE is therefor 18.5GB on this partition.
    But I never did any partitioning before and as am not sure what is the difference between 'free space' and 'unused space', please let me know on which of the 2 pictures should I click the OK :
    http://auctionpresto.com/user/000000...00630suse5.jpg
    http://auctionpresto.com/user/000000...00631suse6.jpg
    http://auctionpresto.com/user/000000...00632suse7.jpg

    Once I have this sda3 partition ready for SUSE, how do I 'set ' it to / to 8Gb, swap to 1Gb and /home to 9Gb (keep in mind that I had to look up such basics to see what "/ " means!) .

    As suggested by baskitcaise, I can of course delete sda3 and I could delete sda4 since I have a Dell reinstalation DVD. I also could shrink sda2 by say 10Gb . That would make it some 10+18.5+4.6= 33gb The question is whether one really needs so much for SUSE? And will I know how to create an "Extended" partition ? - never heard of such a thing though it makes sense.
    As to installing a slave drive - I have never done this though I am willing to learn of course.

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    Default Re: XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    You have to create a extended partition with all of it's 18.5GB

    Then you create the partitions you need inside the extended partition you just created. Partitions created inside an extended partition must be logical partitions.

    Just to clarify for you. An extended partition does not itself store any data, it's just a container for logical partitions.
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    Default Re: XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    storo13 adjusted his/her AFDB on Monday 03 Aug 2009 01:26 to write:

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    > As suggested by baskitcaise, I can of course delete sda3 and I could
    > delete sda4 since I have a Dell reinstalation DVD. I also could shrink
    > sda2 by say 10Gb . That would make it some 10+18.5+4.6= 33gb
    >
    >
    > The question is whether one really needs so much for SUSE?


    Depending on what you want to do is the question :-)

    If you just want to delve into the wonderful world of linux as a test to see
    if you like it or it likes you then it would be quite possible to install in
    the 23gig or so you would have without shrinking the windows partition, thus
    saving a bit of potential problems with messing up windows ( no shrink can
    be guaranteed 100% safe )

    In 23 gig I ( and note the I ) would have something like 1 gig for swap,
    maybe 12gig for / and the rest for home.

    This would be more than enough to start with and allow 10 gig for your
    personal files, settings and d/loads.


    > And will I
    > know how to create an "Extended" partition ? - never heard of such a
    > thing though it makes sense.



    Just to follow what caf said, an extended partition is just a container to
    hold more logical ( I said secondary for which I do apologise, slip of the
    brain there ) partitions, you can have loads of logical partitions inside
    extended partitions which get round the 4 primary partition limit.

    > As to installing a slave drive - I have never done this though I am
    > willing to learn of course.
    >
    >


    If you machine is capable of having another drive then this would solve all
    the problems, if you can supply the hardware details ( model number or such
    ) then we could take look if it is possible for you.

    If it is then we could walk you through the ways of doing it and get you
    started, no probs.


    Unfortunately I will be away for a couple of days but I am sure caf et al
    will help if I do not appear, but if you are willing to wait then I will be
    back later this week.


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    As a follow-up , I deleted D (in Windows) and made it an Extended partition. Suse had no trouble finding it and making 3 partitions and installing itself : 1.46, 7.1 and 9.9GB.

    http://tinyurl.com/nfofs4

    Thank you all for your help

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    Default Re: XP - SUSE dual boot installation problem

    storo13 adjusted his/her AFDB on Monday 03 Aug 2009 15:26 to write:

    >
    >
    > As a follow-up , I deleted D (in Windows) and made it an Extended
    > partition. Suse had no trouble finding it and making 3 partitions
    > and installing itself : 1.46, 7.1 and 9.9GB.
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/nfofs4
    >
    > Thank you all for your help
    >
    >


    Glad you got it sorted.

    Enjoy

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