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    Default Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    Hi,
    everyone, I'm about to do a complete reinstall of my box, and I'd like to make it right and clean for once

    so first a little back story so you see where I come from (you can skip that, just go to the next part)
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    - a former linux kid I use to play around on my 1st box about 10 years ago

    - I grew tired of it for kid reasons and needed an MS OS for gaming like many kids and didn't want to bother back then (multiboot etc)

    - now 10 years later I came back being tired of the constant issue with win$ and the fact that my hardware is not really up to date either

    - I started with ubuntu and wasn't happy with it, too slow, didn't like gnome etc (granted I'm a new born newbie)

    - Then after about 4 to 6 month switch to openSUSE 11.1 with KDE... really liked it and sticked to it until now
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    So here is my problem, being a knowledgeable newbie like I like to call myself... I want to do a clean install of both in multiboot openSUSE and Kubuntu last distribution.

    - the reason being I like openSUSE better with KDE as it seems they polish more their KDE integration than Kubuntu and I really do prefer YaST and other tools from SUSE. I want to use it as my "main" OS

    - but my findings through experience and surfing the many forums wikis and such tells me that Kubuntu might have a better hardware integration and would therefore use it for gaming (planeshift, nwn, etc)

    now I'd like a few direction to make it right this time and not just do try and miss like i did and end up with what i think is a big mess, even though in surface it works rather well :

    1) I'd like a list of the different repository I should have with the correct URL

    2) I'd like to know exactly what the priority are, how it works and how I should set it up for now

    3) Is it easy to multiboot with SUSE Kubuntu, should I know anything or do something specific with the GRUB

    4) I used a lot of one click install using YaST and many times didn't like the the outcome, so I went back using YaST. I figured it doesn't do it properly (uninstall the linked lib you don't need- so is there a proper way to do a clean uninstall for my future use

    5) any other advice and comment are appreciated


    here is my hardware config

    laptop

    CPU: Intel Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz
    GPU: ATI mobility radeon 9000
    512mb RAM
    some kind of integrated intel sound chipset

    sorry for the long post but i tryed to group as many information in one post and cover all I can see is needed for me and you...

    Thank you

    JM

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    From playing with different distros, I would suggest you install ubuntu first and then suse.
    If you have a separate /home partition, you can have access to your data in both. (Just watch out with using the same user account though. The distros each add their own menus and could end up a mess. Try each on a separate account.)
    The repo info is on the opensuse download page:
    Software
    # Package Repositories
    # Update Repositories
    # Source Repository

    For any other guides look at the how to sectionon this forum.
    Just back up any files and data you need to keep beforehand, otherwise its quite easy.
    As a final thing, try and get some more ram for the pc, 512 megs is low for most things now days.

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    Thanks that's a start I like

    especially with the partitioning

    other question:

    - why exactly Kubuntu first and then SUSE ? (just formy personal knowledge, I'm here to learn )

    - for the RAM I know, but I'm broke like a broke star,and that's an old "temp" config... I'd rather save up and get a brand new one all together

    - on partitioning:

    I was exactly checking that when before I came back checking for answers

    so I saw several way to go at it

    I read that about Filesystem-Layout-HOWTO

    the concept being pretty much the same of what I understood and this being the most detailed one I found so far

    /
    /home
    /usr
    /var
    /tmp
    /opt
    swap

    making sure i get it:

    * "/" is for the OS. how much should I plan for SUSE (minimum and recommended) and one for SUSE and one for Kubuntu right?

    * "/home" is basically for all my files picture, doc, videos etc... so up to me decide and can be shared for both OS

    * "/usr" basically everything I install as a specific user probably one of the biggest one. apparently shouldn't be shared between OSs. Now is there some subfiles that can with NO problem though?

    * "/var" not sure if it is useful for me to separate it unless it can be shared between the 2 OSs. and how much should I allocate again

    * "/tmp" well that's for what it says right, can it be shared and how much should I give it

    * "/opt" not sure what that is but I've seen some people separating it and moving it to "/usr" why? same question then (shared,space)

    * "swap" for tmp that need unpacking etc. how much should I put there and can it be shared

    here tell me if i get it right, keep in mind I'm a newbie, tell me if I missed anything the objective is to have something clean and keep it clean and optimize performances.
    for the space allocation beside the "/" i'd like in gb can you use % if it makes more sens so i can reuse it on other boxes

    about the repositories, I was thinking more about the other I should have like packman, game rep, ati etc... or any other good ones.

    about how to I used that a lot this is why I don't have many post out there... I just read what exist already... but it's also how I came to mess up my system, having too many layers of unided stuff or unstable manipulation, so i figured since i'm starting from scratch I might as well look for a custom solution as much as possible at least for pre install and install

    thanks a lot

    JM

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    The last time I installed ubuntu, it had problems with the partition layout and hence boot problems.
    If you install it first, you don't have to play later. suse is quite good at sorting out boot problems.
    All you really need, unless its a server or you need the /var info is to have a separate root partition and a /home partition.
    Normally 15-20 gigs is enough for root. /home depends on how much data you have.
    Remember, the original partition how-tos were written when most multiple drives were small compared to today and were probably scsi.

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    ok, I see

    now I didn't ask the stupid one... when I install the first one do I reserve already the space for the next one but live it unused or I can already format it.... or should I just install then repartition with the second one ????

    for the other readers I4m still looking for answers on the other question or/and advice/comments

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    1) I would only recommend adding Packman the othe 3 should be there on a default install(Oss, Non-Oss and update). Though I see little problem adding a graphics card one(Though a few don't like it due to some mistiming in the past), webcam or wireless if needed so. Mainly the 3 further addendum as your unlikely to get too many problems(If any) due to the popularity but they won't be "officially supported" Packman and graphics urls are easy to find out via the wiki.(Maybe kde42 as well if so desired)

    2)1 is the highest so the lower the number the higher the priority, so if you have kde42 and update is higher. Which by default will be if you have a package on update it will take priority over kde42 not the desired outcome. So I go for all the same that way it should choose the latest with no priority over another, some prefer a higher priority on Supported repos than others there is no correct way, depends on repos and repo management.

    3)Being answered but personally shouldn't really matter I've had a variety of distro's not automatically pick up another including Suse. Worse case scenario copy the relevant section from one menu.lst to another and if unlucky tweak.

    4)Not really Suse tends to be a bit dirty on uninstall several unsupported options but not worth the bother with HDD space the way it is now-a-days. Stop worrying about it tends to be only a few mb's.

    5)When using one clicks don't keep the repo, it is highly unlikely you need to any way, also search using the usual suspects yast/zypper. 9/10 times you'll find what you need with out going to some community contrib repo, using the 4 mentioned.
    Man first, have a try at Info, have a look at Wiki, if all that fails Scroogle!!!!!
    If I've helped click on the Rep button I don't know what it does but it sounds cool.

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    oh yeah and about the swap partition more 1gig or 2 or more ??

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    The rule is sort of twice the ram so here 1gb but tbh I think IMHO anything over 2gb is excessive. It really comes down to hibernating to disk, now all I've read has suggested that the image will try to be as small as possible. The problem is I rarely and have not noticed recently my usage go any where near 1gb(Half my ram) which is the size of my swap to actually test.

    I suspect with 512 you may occasionally swap and would recommend doubling that in the near future if you can.
    Man first, have a try at Info, have a look at Wiki, if all that fails Scroogle!!!!!
    If I've helped click on the Rep button I don't know what it does but it sounds cool.

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    thanks a lot people i think i'm about ready to go here....

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    Default Re: Reinstall need help... wish me luck‏

    hi i'm back after some major issues... entirely my fault though i ran the install without checking the integrity of the burned CD... beginners mistake right

    well i'm up and running now, but i have a couple question

    - what is the easy way to make a USBlive version of opensuse 11.1 ? (i check a lot of posts, most of them are out of date with dead links or for older version and not really clear)

    - i'd like also to experiment with different DE, how should i go at it to test xfce enlightenment to be able to switch back while keeping things clean ??? (is the one click install the best way and just uninstall from here??)

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