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    Default Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    is this normal?

  2. #2

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    No it isn't

    Could You post the output of

    zypper lr -u

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    - rtfm; unzip; strip; touch; finger; mount; fsck; more; yes; umount; zip; sleep;

  3. #3
    brassy NNTP User

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    theprinciple wrote:
    > is this normal?


    define "to initialize"...that is, it takes 10 minutes from clicking on
    YaST until the FIRST window pops up.....*or* it is 10 minutes from
    click YaST, THEN Software Management, then the search for software
    window is usable.....if the latter, then the answer to your "is this
    normal" question is:

    maybe....it depends on (for example) if you are on a 28.8 dial modem,
    on an old computer, with 500 MB ram, running SETI in the background,
    during the first 15 minutes after booting, with beagle indexing, with
    desktop effects turned on and cube rotating, while streaming a youtube
    clip..

    none of which you told us about your setup...

    OR, since the length of YaST's initializing phase is VERY dependent on
    reaching ALL the repos and comparing ALL of their contents to ALL of
    your installed bits (so it knows what needs to be updated)....well, if
    one of (or all) of those repo's servers is pretty busy it could take
    some seconds (or minutes) to fetch that ONE list...and, YaST fetches
    each repo's list and then moves to the next one....so, just ONE really
    busy/slow repo server is gonna have a GREAT affect on the "time to
    initalize"..

    how many repos are you refreshing?

    do you let YaST auto-pick from the servers available (using the
    default address of: http://download.opensuse.org/) which often gets
    clogged up with users *or* have you picked a near, and usually fast
    serving mirror? you might find one nearby from this list:
    http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html

    i just checked my YaST, somedays it is pretty slow, but TODAY it was
    five seconds from first click until i could click on Software
    Management, and then it was fully 'initalized' and ready for a search
    in less than ONE minute, total (but, i have no beagle, no youtube
    streaming, no cron running, only FOUR repos to search _and_ i've
    selected a mirror from a university about 40 miles away...

    sorry the answer was so long, but you provided so little information
    about exactly what you were asking, and what your are running, etc
    that a short answer like the following was impossible: yes or no.

    --
    brassy

  4. #4

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    Quote Originally Posted by BenderBendingRodriguez View Post
    No it isn't

    Could You post the output of

    zypper lr -u

    "Unknown option -u"
    That's all I get

  5. #5

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    Brassy
    You make some good points. I assumed that more questions would come, and since I am only a few degrees above a newbie to this, I wasn't sure what info to include.

    The "initialization" I am talking about occurs after I click on "Software management". It proceeds to check repos etc. That is what takes at least ten solid minutes every time.

    I'm on a cable internet connection. I have 1 gb of ram. When I initialize Yast I have no other programs running. As for background processes, that it another good question. I'm pretty sure I've disabled beagle because of how it slows things down, beyond that, I don't know but I suspect that there are A LOT of processes that I could remove. But where to start. I have run yast at many different times and whether it is withing the first 15 minutes after booting or not, the 10 minute initialization is the same.

    My guess is that my repos are at least the partial culprits. I added repos to yast so that I could get software and updates for things that weren't included in the basic repos. Here they all are (it is very possible that I have redundancies due to an incomplete understanding of all this) (also, the ones with stars were added after I posted this question because I'm considering moving to the Smart package manager)
    - 10.3-oss
    * The Smart Package Manager Project
    - 10.3-non-oss
    - Packman Repository
    - openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
    - Main Update Repository
    - Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    - 10.3 - VideoLan
    - Main Repository (OSS)

    I have tried solving this problem by adding and removing various repos, which no solid results, But it is very possible I wasn't choosing the right repos to modify.

    question: What is the average initialization time for your yast?

  6. #6
    JosephKK NNTP User

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:26:01 GMT, theprinciple
    <theprinciple@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >
    >Brassy
    >You make some good points. I assumed that more questions would come,
    >and since I am only a few degrees above a newbie to this, I wasn't sure
    >what info to include.
    >
    >The "initialization" I am talking about occurs after I click on
    >"Software management". It proceeds to check repos etc. That is what
    >takes at least ten solid minutes every time.
    >
    >I'm on a cable internet connection. I have 1 gb of ram. When I
    >initialize Yast I have no other programs running. As for background
    >processes, that it another good question. I'm pretty sure I've disabled
    >beagle because of how it slows things down, beyond that, I don't know
    >but I suspect that there are A LOT of processes that I could remove. But
    >where to start. I have run yast at many different times and whether it
    >is withing the first 15 minutes after booting or not, the 10 minute
    >initialization is the same.
    >
    >My guess is that my repos are at least the partial culprits. I added
    >repos to yast so that I could get software and updates for things that
    >weren't included in the basic repos. Here they all are (it is very
    >possible that I have redundancies due to an incomplete understanding of
    >all this) (also, the ones with stars were added -after- I posted this
    >question because I'm considering moving to the Smart package manager)
    >- 10.3-oss
    >* The Smart Package Manager Project
    >- 10.3-non-oss
    >- Packman Repository
    >- openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
    >- Main Update Repository
    >- Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    >- 10.3 - VideoLan
    >- Main Repository (OSS)
    >
    >I have tried solving this problem by adding and removing various repos,
    >which no solid results, But it is very possible I wasn't choosing the
    >right repos to modify.
    >
    >question: What is the average initialization time for your yast?


    OK.
    Running Suse 10.3 on this machine, 1 GiB ram, megabit DSL;
    Time from selecting yast to password screen between 1 and 2 seconds;
    time from entering password to main yast screen between 1 and 2
    seconds;
    time from selecting software management to ready to use about 100
    seconds.

    # | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Alias | Name
    --+---------+---------+--------+-------------------------------------------------------------------+--------------------------
    1 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
    http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../repo/debug/_1 |
    Main Repository (DEBUG)
    2 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
    http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../repo/non-oss/ |
    Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    3 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
    http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../src-oss/suse/ |
    Main Repository (Sources)
    4 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | http://www2.ati.com/suse/10.3 | ATI
    Repository
    5 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | openSUSE-10.3-Updates |
    openSUSE-10.3-Updates
    6 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
    http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...10.3/standard/ |
    Main Repository (OSS)
    7 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
    http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.3/ |
    Packman Repository

    I think i am going to turn off the ATI, source, and debug
    repositories.

  7. #7
    JosephKK NNTP User

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:48:50 GMT, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    >On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:26:01 GMT, theprinciple
    ><theprinciple@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Brassy
    >>You make some good points. I assumed that more questions would come,
    >>and since I am only a few degrees above a newbie to this, I wasn't sure
    >>what info to include.
    >>
    >>The "initialization" I am talking about occurs after I click on
    >>"Software management". It proceeds to check repos etc. That is what
    >>takes at least ten solid minutes every time.
    >>
    >>I'm on a cable internet connection. I have 1 gb of ram. When I
    >>initialize Yast I have no other programs running. As for background
    >>processes, that it another good question. I'm pretty sure I've disabled
    >>beagle because of how it slows things down, beyond that, I don't know
    >>but I suspect that there are A LOT of processes that I could remove. But
    >>where to start. I have run yast at many different times and whether it
    >>is withing the first 15 minutes after booting or not, the 10 minute
    >>initialization is the same.
    >>
    >>My guess is that my repos are at least the partial culprits. I added
    >>repos to yast so that I could get software and updates for things that
    >>weren't included in the basic repos. Here they all are (it is very
    >>possible that I have redundancies due to an incomplete understanding of
    >>all this) (also, the ones with stars were added -after- I posted this
    >>question because I'm considering moving to the Smart package manager)
    >>- 10.3-oss
    >>* The Smart Package Manager Project
    >>- 10.3-non-oss
    >>- Packman Repository
    >>- openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
    >>- Main Update Repository
    >>- Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    >>- 10.3 - VideoLan
    >>- Main Repository (OSS)
    >>
    >>I have tried solving this problem by adding and removing various repos,
    >>which no solid results, But it is very possible I wasn't choosing the
    >>right repos to modify.
    >>
    >>question: What is the average initialization time for your yast?

    >
    >OK.
    >Running Suse 10.3 on this machine, 1 GiB ram, megabit DSL;
    >Time from selecting yast to password screen between 1 and 2 seconds;
    >time from entering password to main yast screen between 1 and 2
    >seconds;
    >time from selecting software management to ready to use about 100
    >seconds.
    >
    ># | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Alias | Name
    >--+---------+---------+--------+-------------------------------------------------------------------+--------------------------
    >1 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
    >http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../repo/debug/_1 |
    >Main Repository (DEBUG)
    >2 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
    >http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../repo/non-oss/ |
    >Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    >3 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
    >http://download.opensuse.org/distrib.../src-oss/suse/ |
    >Main Repository (Sources)
    >4 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | http://www2.ati.com/suse/10.3 | ATI
    >Repository
    >5 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md | openSUSE-10.3-Updates |
    >openSUSE-10.3-Updates
    >6 | Yes | Yes | yast2 |
    >http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...10.3/standard/ |
    >Main Repository (OSS)
    >7 | Yes | Yes | rpm-md |
    >http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.3/ |
    >Packman Repository
    >
    >I think i am going to turn off the ATI, source, and debug
    >repositories.


    Update after turning off ATI, source and debug; SW management to ready
    is about 35 seconds.

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    brassy NNTP User

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    > - 10.3-oss
    > * The Smart Package Manager Project
    > - 10.3-non-oss
    > - Packman Repository
    > - openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla
    > - Main Update Repository
    > - Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    > - 10.3 - VideoLan
    > - Main Repository (OSS)


    first, i suggest you disable (that is remove the x next to "Enabled")
    and do not automatically refresh (that is, remove the x next to that)
    for ALL of the above except:

    Main Repository (NON-OSS)
    Main Repository (OSS)
    Packman Repository
    openSUSE-10.3 Updates

    leave it that way for now, and NORMALLY...unless you have specific
    need to for other repos, and understand the problems (and know how to
    fix them) you can introduce with the other distros....[let me say it
    another way: the less you drag in from other source the MORE stable
    and usable your system will be]

    second: where are you located? if after you have done the above, i ask
    you to time the initialization again and see if there is any
    improvement....THEN, try it again sometime between 11 PM and 7 AM your
    local time...

    if there is a great change in the time it takes between your normal
    access time and the middle of the night you have just run into a
    server which may be throttled (or over busy) during your normal hours..

    in which case it is not a 'problem' with YaST, but somewhere else..

    you might find some relief the way i do: click on Software Management
    then go immediately to Firefox and read an interesting article on some
    top notch newspaper somewhere in the world....usually, LONG before i
    ready to stop reading YaST is waiting on me (vs the other way
    around)....you might wanna use youtube or whatever..

    another way is to try to find a less busy and/or closer server INSIDE
    your own country...i know for a fact that many of the university
    servers in Germany (for example) which host mirrors throttle the
    access speed to their mirror for ALL requests which come from IPS
    outside Germany..(that is, they throttle during the normal
    class/business hours in their locale)..

    so, go to http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html and run down the
    list of nearby servers which have 10.3 sections, and try one...i used
    to use the one in Denmark (where i live) but they recently stopped
    carrying 10.3 <sigh>

    [i also suggest that since YaST itself is not the problem, that you
    reconsider trying to 'fix it' by installing Smart....on the other hand
    lots of folks like it, a lot...but, in my mind the fix is to not use
    the automatically directed _poll_ of severs access via the default
    address of http://download.opensuse.org/]

    --
    brassy

  9. #9
    brassy NNTP User

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    >> zypper lr -u
    >
    > "Unknown option -u"


    you are using openSUSE 10.3 and the questioning poster is using 11.x,
    the command line switches changed...

    --
    brassy

  10. #10

    Default Re: Yast takes FOREVER to initialize (10 full minutes)

    Brassy:
    re: different suse versions
    makes sense

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