ok i give up, how does one move the icons in the kde4 panel and make them stay where i want them. right now the clock is gone, and all the icons are lined up to the left side of the panel. i move the icon and it jumps back to where it was. i have used kde3 and am now looking at gnome. while i have not been a gnome user i am currently using it, i don't have to ask questions about what should be intuitive. it seems the kde4 learning curve is steeper due to esoteric functions.
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