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    Graham P Davis NNTP User

    Default Why Dolphin?

    What is the point of Dolphin? In KDE3, we had a file manager that did the
    job, Konqueror. Now, on KDE4.2, we have Dolphin. I've tried it and found it
    doesn't do what I was able to do with Konqueror. So I tried Konqueror for
    KDE4 and found that although it's better than Dolphin, it is not as good as
    the KDE3 version.

    Couldn't all the effort have been put into providing a decent conversion of
    Konqueror for KDE4 instead of splitting the effort and coming up with two
    half-baked file managers?

    There seems to me to be a desire in the Linux community to keep re-inventing
    the wheel instead of improving the one we have.

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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    That of course is your opinion. I actually find Dolphin just great, quite an improvement. Not that K was bad - I loved it too.
    Give it some work time, use it, configure it. IMO kde4 is going to be a benchmark for future desktop dev.
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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    In what areas is Konqueror in KDE4 significantly lacking compared to KDE3? I have been using it since installing KDE4.2 and haven't noticed anything I particularly miss.

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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    > What is the point of Dolphin? In KDE3, we had a file manager that did the
    > job, Konqueror. Now, on KDE4.2, we have Dolphin. I've tried it and found
    > it doesn't do what I was able to do with Konqueror. So I tried Konqueror
    > for KDE4 and found that although it's better than Dolphin, it is not as
    > good as the KDE3 version.
    >
    > Couldn't all the effort have been put into providing a decent conversion
    > of Konqueror for KDE4 instead of splitting the effort and coming up with
    > two half-baked file managers?
    >
    > There seems to me to be a desire in the Linux community to keep
    > re-inventing the wheel instead of improving the one we have.


    Particularly when there's nothing really wrong with what you have.
    It's the nature of things though and you can find the same problem no matter
    where you look. How many versions of the wheel are there? Ultimately it's
    still round.




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    Graham P Davis NNTP User

    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    john hudson wrote:

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    > In what areas is Konqueror in KDE4 significantly lacking compared to
    > KDE3? I have been using it since installing KDE4.2 and haven't noticed
    > anything I particularly miss.
    >
    >


    (1) No thumbnails when hovering on a file.

    (2) No "previous Image" or "next image" arrows. The "Main Toolbar
    <GVImagePart>" has been replaced by "Main Toolbar <GVPart>" and is
    annoyingly feature-free.

    (3) After viewing a file in KDE3 Konqueror, returning to the list of files
    (through "back" not "up") would take you back to the file you'd just viewed
    so you didn't lose your place in a long list. In KDE4, you're taken back to
    the top of the list.

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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    Quote Originally Posted by john_hudson View Post
    In what areas is Konqueror in KDE4 significantly lacking compared to KDE3? I have been using it since installing KDE4.2 and haven't noticed anything I particularly miss.
    My experience until recently:
    1. Dolphin is slow. Konqueror (KDE3) has been and still is a lot faster.
    2. Dolphin is buggy, while Konqueror (KDE3) is rock steady, doing what one would expect from it.

    Both of these have been improving, and Dolphin has a few nice features lacking i the old K, but a few days ago I was working on a large number of image files (nearly 1 000) and ended up installing KDE 3.5 to have the work done without being constantly interrupted.

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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    What is the point of Dolphin?
    My conclusion to date: To differentiate new kde4 from old kde3 by having a new-look file browser/manager - in the absence of any technical reason. For example: caf4926 wrote

    I actually find Dolphin just great, quite an improvement.
    That's an opinion, some might agree with, but nobody is saying what has improved. What is the improvement?

    I tried Dolphin on another distro and the ability to 1-click to root directory was about the only useful extra I noticed. Wow, that's a compelling reason after all that development. Yes, it required configuring ootb just to look and feel useable. That's a nuisance to the average user, i.e. for an essential desktop application not to be ready for work with adequate defaults.

    The OP, Graham, makes a compelling argument (IMO) and backs it up with the three missing features. Surely, those navigational features are essential for any decent file browser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham P Davis View Post
    john hudson wrote:

    >
    > In what areas is Konqueror in KDE4 significantly lacking compared to
    > KDE3? I have been using it since installing KDE4.2 and haven't noticed
    > anything I particularly miss.
    >
    >


    (1) No thumbnails when hovering on a file.

    (2) No "previous Image" or "next image" arrows. The "Main Toolbar
    <GVImagePart>" has been replaced by "Main Toolbar <GVPart>" and is
    annoyingly feature-free.

    (3) After viewing a file in KDE3 Konqueror, returning to the list of files
    (through "back" not "up") would take you back to the file you'd just viewed
    so you didn't lose your place in a long list. In KDE4, you're taken back to
    the top of the list.

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    1. Not correct. I get thumbs.

    As for the other 2 points, I can't say. I always use Gwenview it has all the features you describe and more - with file browsing too.

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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    Konqueror
    Right Click -> Actions -> Open Terminal Here

    Not the only way that Knonq is far better than Dolphin, But it is certainly the one that I missed the most.

    Just a thought -> What can Dolphin not be uninstalled without breaking Konqueror?

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    Default Re: Why Dolphin?

    Dolphin - View - Panels - terminal

    seems fine to me
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