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  1. #1
    Tilman Schmidt NNTP User

    Default [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    The system area of my Gnome menu, which until recently showed entries
    to start YaST, log off, or shut down, among others, is suddenly
    completely empty. Only the title "System" remains. Below it, a blank
    area extends to the next title "Status", below which the usual "Hard
    Disk" and "Network" entries still appear. Needless to say, this is a
    bit inconvenient.

    The one thing I did before that happened is installing openSUSE 11.1
    in a new partition, mounting the existing /home partition into it,
    and logging in to my regular user account to see whether it worked.
    After rebooting back to the previous openSUSE 10.3 installation
    and logging in to the same account again, the system menu content
    was gone. So I imagine the 11.1 Gnome has modified something in my
    profile in a way the 10.3 Gnome doesn't like.

    Any idea for a quick, makeshift fix? I'll switch over to 11.1 as soon
    as I find the time to complete the installation, but until then I'll
    still have to get some work done using the 10.3 one.

    aTdHvAaNnKcSe
    Tilman

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    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Quote Originally Posted by Tilman Schmidt
    The system area of my Gnome menu, which until
    recently showed entries to start YaST, log off, or shut down, among
    others, is suddenly completely empty. Only the title "System" remains.
    Below it, a blank area extends to the next title "Status", below which
    the usual "Hard Disk" and "Network" entries still appear. Needless to
    say, this is a bit inconvenient.

    The one thing I did before that happened is installing openSUSE 11.1
    in a new partition, mounting the existing /home partition into it,
    and logging in to my regular user account to see whether it worked.
    After rebooting back to the previous openSUSE 10.3 installation
    and logging in to the same account again, the system menu content
    was gone. So I imagine the 11.1 Gnome has modified something in my
    profile in a way the 10.3 Gnome doesn't like.

    Any idea for a quick, makeshift fix? I'll switch over to 11.1 as soon
    as I find the time to complete the installation, but until then I'll
    still have to get some work done using the 10.3 one.

    aTdHvAaNnKcSe
    Tilman
    Hi
    Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    files....

    You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files to
    a backup name and try logout/login.

    --
    Cheers Malcolm (Linux Counter #276890)
    openSUSE 11.1 x86 Kernel 2.6.27.7-9-default
    up 2 days 5:25, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.08, 0.16
    GPU GeForce 6600 TE/6200 TE - Driver Version: 180.29


  3. #3
    Malcolm NNTP User

    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Quote Originally Posted by Tilman Schmidt
    The system area of my Gnome menu, which until
    recently showed entries to start YaST, log off, or shut down, among
    others, is suddenly completely empty. Only the title "System" remains.
    Below it, a blank area extends to the next title "Status", below which
    the usual "Hard Disk" and "Network" entries still appear. Needless to
    say, this is a bit inconvenient.

    The one thing I did before that happened is installing openSUSE 11.1
    in a new partition, mounting the existing /home partition into it,
    and logging in to my regular user account to see whether it worked.
    After rebooting back to the previous openSUSE 10.3 installation
    and logging in to the same account again, the system menu content
    was gone. So I imagine the 11.1 Gnome has modified something in my
    profile in a way the 10.3 Gnome doesn't like.

    Any idea for a quick, makeshift fix? I'll switch over to 11.1 as soon
    as I find the time to complete the installation, but until then I'll
    still have to get some work done using the 10.3 one.

    aTdHvAaNnKcSe
    Tilman
    Hi
    Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    files....

    You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files to
    a backup name and try logout/login.

    --
    Cheers Malcolm (Linux Counter #276890)
    openSUSE 11.1 x86 Kernel 2.6.27.7-9-default
    up 2 days 5:25, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.08, 0.16
    GPU GeForce 6600 TE/6200 TE - Driver Version: 180.29


  4. #4
    Tilman Schmidt NNTP User

    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Malcolm schrieb:
    > Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    > files....


    Aw, I was afraid you would say that. But my home directory is
    50 gigabytes and I would prefer not to create a copy of all that
    stuff. Backing it up regularly is difficult enough as it is.

    > You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files to
    > a backup name and try logout/login.


    Ok, I'll try that. There are also a ~/.gconf2_private and
    ~/.gconfd directories which I guess by way of analogy would also
    be good to move aside.

    But I would still feel more comfortable if I knew what I was
    doing. No-one knows where the common garden Gnome keeps that
    system menu of his, so I can go for it with a scalpel instead of
    a sledgehammer?

    Thanks,
    Tilman

  5. #5
    Tilman Schmidt NNTP User

    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Malcolm schrieb:
    > Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    > files....


    Aw, I was afraid you would say that. But my home directory is
    50 gigabytes and I would prefer not to create a copy of all that
    stuff. Backing it up regularly is difficult enough as it is.

    > You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files to
    > a backup name and try logout/login.


    Ok, I'll try that. There are also a ~/.gconf2_private and
    ~/.gconfd directories which I guess by way of analogy would also
    be good to move aside.

    But I would still feel more comfortable if I knew what I was
    doing. No-one knows where the common garden Gnome keeps that
    system menu of his, so I can go for it with a scalpel instead of
    a sledgehammer?

    Thanks,
    Tilman

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    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Quote Originally Posted by Tilman Schmidt
    Malcolm schrieb:
    > Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    > files....


    Aw, I was afraid you would say that. But my home directory is
    50 gigabytes and I would prefer not to create a copy of all that
    stuff. Backing it up regularly is difficult enough as it is.

    > You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files
    > to a backup name and try logout/login.


    Ok, I'll try that. There are also a ~/.gconf2_private and
    ~/.gconfd directories which I guess by way of analogy would also
    be good to move aside.

    But I would still feel more comfortable if I knew what I was
    doing. No-one knows where the common garden Gnome keeps that
    system menu of his, so I can go for it with a scalpel instead of
    a sledgehammer?

    Thanks,
    Tilman
    Hi
    I would say the different gnome version 11.1 being 2.24 schema, menu
    changes etc

    I have now changed my partitioning these days with a data partition
    instead of /home and just create a / which includes home. Then I create
    softlinks in the /home to my application data eg claws mail, cxoffice,
    gkrellm etc then let the OS/DE tend to it's own business.

    --
    Cheers Malcolm (Linux Counter #276890)
    openSUSE 11.1 x86 Kernel 2.6.27.7-9-default
    up 2 days 13:20, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.04, 0.03
    GPU GeForce 6600 TE/6200 TE - Driver Version: 180.29


  7. #7
    Malcolm NNTP User

    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Quote Originally Posted by Tilman Schmidt
    Malcolm schrieb:
    > Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    > files....


    Aw, I was afraid you would say that. But my home directory is
    50 gigabytes and I would prefer not to create a copy of all that
    stuff. Backing it up regularly is difficult enough as it is.

    > You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files
    > to a backup name and try logout/login.


    Ok, I'll try that. There are also a ~/.gconf2_private and
    ~/.gconfd directories which I guess by way of analogy would also
    be good to move aside.

    But I would still feel more comfortable if I knew what I was
    doing. No-one knows where the common garden Gnome keeps that
    system menu of his, so I can go for it with a scalpel instead of
    a sledgehammer?

    Thanks,
    Tilman
    Hi
    I would say the different gnome version 11.1 being 2.24 schema, menu
    changes etc

    I have now changed my partitioning these days with a data partition
    instead of /home and just create a / which includes home. Then I create
    softlinks in the /home to my application data eg claws mail, cxoffice,
    gkrellm etc then let the OS/DE tend to it's own business.

    --
    Cheers Malcolm (Linux Counter #276890)
    openSUSE 11.1 x86 Kernel 2.6.27.7-9-default
    up 2 days 13:20, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.04, 0.03
    GPU GeForce 6600 TE/6200 TE - Driver Version: 180.29


  8. #8
    Tilman Schmidt NNTP User

    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Malcolm schrieb:
    >
    Quote Originally Posted by Tilman Schmidt
    The system area of my Gnome menu, which until
    > recently showed entries to start YaST, log off, or shut down, among
    > others, is suddenly completely empty. Only the title "System" remains.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tilman Schmidt
    [...]
    > Any idea for a quick, makeshift fix? I'll switch over to 11.1 as soon
    > as I find the time to complete the installation, but until then I'll
    > still have to get some work done using the 10.3 one.
    >
    > aTdHvAaNnKcSe
    > Tilman
    >

    > Hi
    > Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    > files....
    >
    > You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files to
    > a backup name and try logout/login.


    That didn't help.

    In fact, what I did was this: I switched to runlevel 3 just to make sure
    nothing of Gnome was still hanging around, then logged in to my account
    on the text console, ran the commands:

    mkdir xyzzy
    mv .g?o* xyzzy

    in order to move all of .gconf .gconfd .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private
    to an strangely-named subdirectory where Gnome shouldn't be able to
    find them anymore, switched back to runlevel 5 and logged in graphically
    again. The result: my font settings are lost, the usual first time
    greeting of Gnome appeared, but the System area of the Gnome menu is
    still as empty as before.

    If nobody has a better idea, next thing I'll try will be to move my
    entire home directory out of the way.

    Thx
    T.

  9. #9
    Tilman Schmidt NNTP User

    Default Re: [10.3] Gnome menu system area disappeared

    Malcolm schrieb:
    > Create a new user and just copy over your data and chown on the
    > files....


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    Ok, I did that and it didn't help either, but it turned out that was
    because a process named /usr/lib/GConf/2/gconf-2 was still running.
    Through a series of experiments I discovered that this process is
    started when I log in to a Gnome session, but not terminated when I
    log off, that process seems to keep my current Gnome session
    parameters alive, including the absence of menu entries in the
    system area.

    After killing that process, moving my old home directory aside and
    creating a new, empty one did indeed restore my Gnome menu, but there
    were so many other things lost that I went back to your alternative
    proposition:

    > You might also try moving your ~/.gconf ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 files to
    > a backup name and try logout/login.


    Just moving these out of the way turned out not to be sufficient, but
    after moving all of:

    ..config .gconfd .gnome2 .local .skel
    ..gconf .gnome .gnome2_private .nautilus

    to a backup directory (and killing gconf-2 again of course), lo and
    behold, my Gnome menu was complete again. There's still a bit of
    fallout from that operation but far less than by recreating the
    complete home directory.

    Still, I'm curious. If anyone can tell me where that part of the Gnome
    menu, with the entries
    - Help
    - Kontrollzentrum
    - Installieren von Software
    - Lock Screen
    - Logout
    - Shutdown

    (indeed with that odd mixture of English and localized captions)
    comes from, I would like to examine the backed-up versions of the
    config directories above in order to find out what happened.

    Thanks
    Tilman

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