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    Connaver NNTP User

    Default I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wine]

    I have just downloaded and installed opensuse 11.1. I thought I could manage to learn the fundamentals of linux by myself, or at least get a little right.

    After 5 hours of accomplishing absolutely nothing I thought I would try and get some help from opensuse.org.

    If there is anyone who has a little patience and is willing to explain some fundamentals to me I would really appreciate it.

    The first thing I would to learn is how to install Wine. I downloaded the newest version but I think I downloaded the windows installer version. I think I managed 9using yast) to find a online version to install, but with the bandwidth being so expensive in this country I would really like to find out if I can install it from the version I downloaded.

    I apologise if this is the wrong section to post this in and appreciate any help offered.

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    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Connaver View Post
    I have just downloaded and installed opensuse 11.1. I thought I could manage to learn the fundamentals of linux by myself, or at least get a little right.
    Dear Connaver, wine is not the best first step to take to "...learn the fundamentals of linux..."!!!
    Quit the GUI, go to command line with a good book about bash wide open on the table!

    Won't you learn linux starting with windows applications ... or no?

    Good luck!

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    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    There's a wine tutorial for openSUSE here:
    Geoff's Linux tips - wine

    To install the contemporary RPMs, add the repository he mentions and you should have the near-latest with the added advantage that it has been tested and integrated into openSUSE.
    Leap 42.3 & 15.1 &KDE
    FYIs from the days of yore

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    Yosuf Mossad Mohammed Vitriolus NNTP User

    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wine]

    I used Linux for three years before I felt the need to install WINE.

    what exactly is it that you feel you need WINE for?

    there is very real little reason to immediately try to run
    Windows[tm] programs under Linux.

    There are all sorts of programs to replace those. Have a look at
    http://www.osalt.com/ and
    http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html

    if this posting is not helpful, don't get mad...i'd give you some
    fundamentals but i don't know where to start. That is, are you coming
    from Ubuntu or Win95. Are you familiar with using a command line in
    OS/2 or Vista? Have you yet read any of the online information
    available at openSUSE.org?

    like:

    basic reading list:

    If new to Linux please read this:
    http://forums.opensuse.org/looking-s...new-linux.html
    http://forums.opensuse.org/looking-s...ml#post1835888
    above includes links to these--READ THEM

    Before you install SuSE 11.0 read this. If you already installed and
    it all went sour, read it BEFORE you reinstall:

    http://forums.opensuse.org/install-b...ease-read.html


    Ready to use Multimedia? Read:

    http://forums.opensuse.org/applicati...-sub-area.html


    When you get frustrated, and BEFORE you give up and go back, read
    "Linux is Not Windows":
    http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm


    Partitioning/Install Guide
    http://forums.opensuse.org/how-faq/3...all-guide.html


    HowTo Boot / Multiboot openSUSE and Windows (2000, XP, Vista - any
    mix) using the GRUB bootloader
    http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtoboot.html
    http://tinyurl.com/5eqy8k

    When you have learned all you think you need to know read "LINUX:
    Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition"
    http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
    http://tinyurl.com/r6j4w

    How to install and boot 145 operating systems in a PC
    http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147959
    http://tinyurl.com/36c9f5

    Fixing vista multiboot with openSUSE - openSUSE Forums
    http://forums.opensuse.org/install-b...-opensuse.html
    http://tinyurl.com/57zlz7

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    Connaver NNTP User

    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    WOW.

    First of all I thought no one had replied. And then I couldn't find the post (I've just taken a more in depth look at the search function)

    Thank you for your replies, let me see if I can answer all questions.

    First of all, a brief explaination as to how I got to this point:

    I have played around with Fedora previously, but not on any serious scale. I run an IT business and want to offer my clients alternatives to expensive microsoft operating systems. When I heard from a friend that Suse could run windows apps I thought it was worth a look at. When I started looking I saw openSuse had a 64-bit version (that really got my attention).

    My thoughts at the time were: "If there is an OS that can run windows apps with no problem and has an easy GUI that is not difficult to become familiar with then I might just work." Unfortunately people who have worked on MS Office and have other Windows based software do not want to change from MS Windows. So an alternative would have to fulfil the requirements (i.e. easy to familiarize themselves with and can run at least office.)

    But, in order to offer this choice to my clients I would have to learn how to use (and fix) Linux myself.

    Then I install openSuse 11.1 on my pc, (which I thought came with wine already installed) and started playing around. The first two days I got nothing right. Eventually I found out I could download and install wine with Yast, but I wanted to install the version I already downloaded before installed openSuse. After many hours of battling and fighting I eventually gave in and installed with Yast.

    As a side note after a further 3 days and much searching on the net I finally got the installer for my motherboard drivers to start up. I felt like throwing a party. Unfortunately something about the kernel did not allow me to install the drivers, but it was a start.

    I cam accross the term bash but did not that that point start reading up into it. At this point, one week later I now have a rough idea of how much I must actually learn. It does not help that I still have a Windows mentality.

    As a last note on that very long exaplaination as to how I got here: I have been in the IT business for over 5 years and know how to fix computers (hardware) and sort out software issues on Windows XP and Vista.


    To aces:

    Thank you for reply. I'll get my hands on some media about bash commands

    To swerdna:

    Thank you for the links to the wine help pages and the wine repositories. It might actually help if I can get into the wine configuration menu (I looked everywhere for it but could not find it) Now I can.

    To Yosuf Mossad Mohammed Vitriolus:

    Thank you very much for all the links. Your effort is appreciated. To be honest I have been very busy these past few months (with the economy hurting business badly) I have not had the time to sit for a fe hours and look through the forums. The little time I was able to sit and look I did not find posts to help me.



    Now I have a basic starting point to work from. I start reading everything you guys linked to and then hopefully I'll be able to sort out the problems I currently have.

    But there is one question I'll ask right now. Through a miss click I have lost the section on my start bar that shows which windows I have open at the moment. So the only way I can see or navigate through my windows is though alt+tab. I have tried every single widget I can by right clicking on the start bar and adding widgets but that didn't work. Does anyone know how I can put that section back?

    Thanks again for all your help. Hopefully I'll be able to get to a point to be a real contributer one day.

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    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Connaver View Post
    But there is one question I'll ask right now. Through a miss click I have lost the section on my start bar that shows which windows I have open at the moment. So the only way I can see or navigate through my windows is though alt+tab. I have tried every single widget I can by right clicking on the start bar and adding widgets but that didn't work. Does anyone know how I can put that section back?
    Quick and dirty and if not working, you can roll back.

    Rename ~/.kde4 (home directory of the user who has the problem), close/restart xwindow session. Recreation of that hidden directory should be automatic and should fix the problem (maybe...)

    Bye, bye.

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    Connaver NNTP User

    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    Aces

    I did a bit of snooping and found my way to the KDE irc channel. Speaking to someone there was a lot of help and I got everything to work and look right. It was just a widget "Task Manager". I was there before and thought I had tried all the widgets but I must have missed that one.

    But thanks for that suggestion. If I manage to completely mess up the task bar again I'll give that a try, And I probably will since I'm experimenting with everything , soehow I have already downgraded myself from KDE4 to KDE3.5 I think.

    Perhaps you can answer another question for me, might save me from hours of searching.

    I have another hard drive full of files that I want to access. It was a second hard drive when I still had windows XP. openSuse picks it up but does not want to allow me access to it.

    This is the message it returns when I try to access the drive through the dolphin application. Clicking on the partition name in "My Computer" does not do anything.

    "An error occured while accessing "Personal", the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Desktop.permissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed Auth_admin_fixed_always <-- (action,result)"

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    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Connaver View Post
    I have another hard drive full of files that I want to access. It was a second hard drive when I still had windows XP. openSuse picks it up but does not want to allow me access to it.

    This is the message it returns when I try to access the drive through the dolphin application. Clicking on the partition name in "My Computer" does not do anything.

    "An error occured while accessing "Personal", the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Desktop.permissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed Auth_admin_fixed_always <-- (action,result)"
    I have never encountered such a message.
    The disk is USB? NTFS?
    Try to log in the system as root: same message?
    Did you play with HAL/UDEV and its config files?
    Open a terminal as a root (if you are a normal user type su and the root's password), type "mount": how is the disk mounted?
    You could try to umount e re-mount manually ...

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    Connaver NNTP User

    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wi

    The drive is a 160 Gig SATA, which has been partitioned and has an NTFS file system.

    On the "My Computer" page it shows the drive as having a NTFS-3G partition.

    I opened a terminal and entered su + root pass but I only found the link to the drive in the /dev/disk/by-label folder. I do not know where the actual drive is located

    Uhm ... the rest of what you said is greek to me. I don't know what HAL is so I am sure I have not messed around with it.

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    Default Re: I really need a lot of help [Starting with installing wine]

    you must be careful here...there are folks who appear both helpful
    and knowledgeable....but, may be one and not the other...i've seen
    folks come here with no experience and lots of problems...a month
    later they are giving advice...sometimes great, sometimes not..

    in order to access any hard drive it is necessary to first "mount" it..

    [strange idea to a Windows guy, huh? it comes from the OLD DAYS when
    the IBM "mainframe" was in the basement (of a different building
    maybe) and everyone sat at a "terminal" or "console" in their
    office...and when they wanted to work on THEIR documents they had to
    get an "administrator" over in the basement to walk over and pick up
    a "disk pack" as big as a hat box and carry it over to a
    washing-machine sized drive unit and "mount" your drive....THEN, and
    only then could you the user access your data..]

    so, go to a terminal/console/Konsole and type
    man mount

    and, you learn about the mount command..

    once you have become 'administrator' (aka: root) you may mount the
    drive so that the user (you) can access it..

    CAUTION: if that hard drive contains valuable data, and it is the
    ONLY copy of that data, careful what you try.....like it IS possible
    to mount that drive as READ ONLY (use switch -r)....which might be a
    good way to begin..

    and, NO you don't actually have to mount it again after any
    shutdown/restart...you can have it automatically mounted via a line
    in /etc/fstab

    see: man fstab

    and,
    --
    have fun

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