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    Default 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    While everyone is complaining about systemd and all some people are ignoring an issue with openSUSE that has started with 13.2 and that is the new partition scheme openSUSE requests.
    Frankly the partion scheme for 13.2 is the most broken thing I have sewen in a while, so many partitions and the want to change home to XFS as oppposed to the long standard EXT4.
    The issue here is now the partioner really wants to muck with the system, if its one thing I would warn many about about the latest 13.2 is its really crappy partioning scheme.
    Its the first time in openSUSE I had to usde GRUB, its that messed up on how awful the partiton scheme is in openSUSE 13.2
    I sure hope when BTRFS is rolled out on other distros its better then this, believe me this is one thing I will be complaining about in my upcomming review for 13.2

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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 22:56:01 +0000, MadmanRB wrote:

    > While everyone is complaining about systemd and all some people are
    > ignoring an issue with openSUSE that has started with 13.2 and that is
    > the new partition scheme openSUSE requests.
    > Frankly the partion scheme for 13.2 is the most broken thing I have
    > sewen in a while, so many partitions and the want to change home to XFS
    > as oppposed to the long standard EXT4.
    > The issue here is now the partioner really wants to muck with the
    > system, if its one thing I would warn many about about the latest 13.2
    > is its really crappy partioning scheme.
    > Its the first time in openSUSE I had to usde GRUB, its that messed up on
    > how awful the partiton scheme is in openSUSE 13.2 I sure hope when BTRFS
    > is rolled out on other distros its better then this, believe me this is
    > one thing I will be complaining about in my upcomming review for 13.2


    Well, actually, I'm pretty happy with the XFS choice. I had installed a
    13.1 system with btrfs as the default for / and /home, and the
    performance hit for the /home partition was completely unacceptable (I
    run a /lot/ of virtual machines on that system - it's a 32 GB system, and
    right now, my testing for work has no fewer than 9 VMs running
    concurrently - and the disk channel was timing out).

    XFS is a well proven filesystem (over 20 years of development and
    stability). It's a high performance filesystem with a proven track
    record, and a good choice.

    But the installer makes it pretty easy to change it if you don't want it.

    The options seemed to be there for me to use a more traditional partition
    layout if I wanted, so I'm not sure what you mean by "crappy partiton
    scheme" - because it seemed pretty normal to me, and what I expected to
    see when I did a fresh installation in a VM.

    For an upgrade, I can't image that it would even touch the partition
    scheme.

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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    On Sun 09 Nov 2014 10:56:01 PM CST, MadmanRB wrote:


    While everyone is complaining about systemd and all some people are
    ignoring an issue with openSUSE that has started with 13.2 and that is
    the new partition scheme openSUSE requests.
    Frankly the partion scheme for 13.2 is the most broken thing I have
    sewen in a while, so many partitions and the want to change home to XFS
    as oppposed to the long standard EXT4.
    The issue here is now the partioner really wants to muck with the
    system, if its one thing I would warn many about about the latest 13.2
    is its really crappy partioning scheme.
    Its the first time in openSUSE I had to usde GRUB, its that messed up on
    how awful the partiton scheme is in openSUSE 13.2
    I sure hope when BTRFS is rolled out on other distros its better then
    this, believe me this is one thing I will be complaining about in my
    upcomming review for 13.2


    Hi
    All part of the journey.... got rid of sysvinit and ext4, next on the
    list mbr, kde4 and x86 support.... well it is soapbox

    Have no issues with the defaults, I just change the partition to ext4
    during the install. I'm using both xfs and ext4 over my systems. But OS
    (and /home) on btrfs.

    Have two mbr system, it works fine with a small boot partition, no dual
    boot systems with mbr, all of mine are UEFI.

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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadmanRB View Post
    Frankly the partion scheme for 13.2 is the most broken thing I have sewen in a while, so many partitions and the want to change home to XFS as oppposed to the long standard EXT4.
    I don't think that's right. The partitioner recommended the same number of partitions for 13.2 as have previous installs. It only looks worse because the "btrfs" partition as a gazillion subvolumes. But it is still the one partition.

    I do think the suggested partitioning is very confusing, because of that list of subvolumes. It would be better to just show the partition, and have an additional screen you can open to examine/change the subvolumes.

    Personally, I just used "ext4".
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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    Quote Originally Posted by nrickert View Post
    I don't think that's right. The partitioner recommended the same number of partitions for 13.2 as have previous installs. It only looks worse because the "btrfs" partition as a gazillion subvolumes. But it is still the one partition.
    Yes, a misunderstanding of the representation.

    I do think the suggested partitioning is very confusing, because of that list of subvolumes. It would be better to just show the partition, and have an additional screen you can open to examine/change the subvolumes.
    Yes, that would be a good move IMHO.

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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    I do think the suggested partitioning is very confusing, because of that list of subvolumes. It would be better to just show the partition, and have an additional screen you can open to examine/change the subvolumes.
    Yes, that would be a good move IMHO.
    ... unfortunately, too late to do so with the 13.2 install.
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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fraser_Bell View Post
    ... unfortunately, too late to do so with the 13.2 install.
    Yes, but it's not the end of the world (as some would have us believe).

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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    Quote Originally Posted by deano_ferrari View Post
    Yes, but it's not the end of the world (as some would have us believe).
    Agreed. I have not made it to 13.2 tests, been busy with too many other things, but I do not see it as an issue, and certainly not one worth raging about.
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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    13.2 with KDE using BTRFS for root and XFS for home partition, actually feels faster to me than when i used a very minimal debian + openbox on EXT4.

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    Default Re: 13.2's installer issues: taste of things to come?

    I'm sure that with next generation (13.3?) and with the new grub3 included(joking, have no idea) everything will work out fine. People will even get a easy overview of pationering and not to see the eons-long list of subvolumes together with no new release of Bugzilla (that people can understand how to use) during the test/development period.

    Written with a blink in my eye .

    On the other hand it is not god and I can only speculate how many new users will give up and they even never find the way to this forum where help is at hand.
    I'm shameless like others in the forum -was I to any help or made sense? If yes: click the on the star below to the left. Written whit a ;-) in my eye.

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