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    Default NetworkManager kinda sucks

    Sorry I just can't get to where I like it. Nuff said. This is starting to get just a bit too MS Windows like. Don't try to help or protect me from the OS, I'm a big boy. I wouldn't use it, but I can't see where 802.1x is using ifup. Could be my fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolwyn View Post
    Sorry I just can't get to where I like it. Nuff said. This is starting to get just a bit too MS Windows like.
    NM is definitely not Windows-like IMNSHO.

    In particular, it is _connection_ based, whereas Windows (and ifup) is interface based.
    To explain:
    - connect your USB wireless stick and configure a connection
    - then disconnect the stick and connect it to a different USB port.
    In Windows, you'll get a notifier about a new device, drivers will be installed, and you'll have to configure the connection again (including entering the WiFi password).

    With NetworkManager the connection will just continue to work without any manual interaction...

    That's what _I_ like about NetworkManager in particular.

    Don't try to help or protect me from the OS, I'm a big boy. I wouldn't use it, but I can't see where 802.1x is using ifup. Could be my fault.
    Switch back to ifup (or wicked, depending on which openSUSE version you use).
    Nobody forces you to use NetworkManager, on openSUSE at least...
    Last edited by wolfi323; 09-Jan-2015 at 13:57.

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    Default Re: NetworkManager kinda sucks

    On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:36:01 +0000, tolwyn wrote:

    > Sorry I just can't get to where I like it. Nuff said. This is starting
    > to get just a bit too MS Windows like. Don't try to help or protect me
    > from the OS, I'm a big boy. I wouldn't use it, but I can't see where
    > 802.1x is using ifup. Could be my fault.


    Then use ifup instead. That's an option.

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    On 01/09/2015 02:36 PM, tolwyn wrote:
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    > Sorry I just can't get to where I like it. Nuff said. This is starting
    > to get just a bit too MS Windows like. Don't try to help or protect me
    > from the OS, I'm a big boy. I wouldn't use it, but I can't see where
    > 802.1x is using ifup. Could be my fault.
    >
    >


    NetworkManger (aka NetworkBigGuesserMakingPrimitiveAssumptions) yes... it's
    bad. Nuff said.

    With that said, when I know I'm in a preschool env and I don't need to
    "understand the network"... I use... I admit it. But only in those limited
    situations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tolwyn View Post
    ...This is starting to get just a bit too MS Windows like. Don't try to help or protect me from the OS, I'm a big boy.
    I don't think that it is trying to protect you from the OS. I think that it is trying to protect you from having to set up IP addresses, which most people don't like.

    You are not one of them? Off to Yast with you, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurant View Post
    I don't think that it is trying to protect you from the OS. I think that it is trying to protect you from having to set up IP addresses, which most people don't like.
    You don't have to setup IP addresses with ifup or wicked either.
    DHCP is used by default there as well, and has been as long as I remember.

    OTOH, you can setup static IP addresses with NetworkManager as well.

    This is absolutely no argument to prefer one or the other...

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    NetworkManager _used_ to be really bad, however in the last year it has become considerably better for mobile users and now it's "usable" in most of the scenarios I've ran into.

    Sure it has its issues but it's still better than ifup when it comes to wlan connections.
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    On 2015-01-12, wolfi323 <wolfi323@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:
    > This is absolutely no argument to prefer one or the other...


    I find NetworkManager works very well on KDE. With openSUSE 13.2, it appears wicked is the default and I think that was
    perhaps premature. Although wicked corrected detected the wireless interface hardware, and connected to the router its
    there was something wrong with its DHCP configuration that prevented TCP/IP traffic (even pings failed). The problem was
    resolved immediately by switching to Network Manager.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flymail View Post
    With openSUSE 13.2, it appears wicked is the default and I think that was
    perhaps premature.
    If a wireless interface is detected during install, NetworkManager is used by default. If not, wicked is (or ifup in earlier openSUSE versions, this has not changed recently).

    Although wicked corrected detected the wireless interface hardware, and connected to the router its
    there was something wrong with its DHCP configuration that prevented TCP/IP traffic (even pings failed). The problem was
    resolved immediately by switching to Network Manager.
    I've seen that as well, in particular when trying to upgrade 13.1 via the Netinstall ISO. I had to resort to doing an online upgrade with "zypper dup", because I couldn't get the wireless to work (this is even mentioned in the release notes btw.)

    I couldn't get my wireless device working with wicked at all even after the upgrade (didn't really bother me as I was using NetworkManager before that anyway).
    The latest wicked update seems to have fixed that though, although it seems to still not work with Startmode "if hot-plugged" which is the default I think. I had to call ifup manually on every boot to get it working. Switching to "during boot" made it work as expected though.

    But I haven't seen any issue with automatically setting up IP addresses via DHCP...
    Last edited by wolfi323; 12-Jan-2015 at 05:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfi323 View Post
    If a wireless interface is detected during install, NetworkManager is used by default. If not, wicked is (or ifup in earlier openSUSE versions, this has not changed recently).
    I don't think that's correct. My current desktop has a Wireless interface, but always installs with "ifup" or "wicked".

    My assumption has been that this is desktop vs. laptop. I do not know how laptop is detected, but I suppose touchpad, battery and wifi could all be involved. Perhaps the type of keyboard is also involved.
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