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    Default Re: Windows Vista & Seven V Open Suse 11.1

    Quote Originally Posted by climbinghigh92 View Post
    Hi,
    This is my First post, i dont know if every ones noticed that the relesed screen shots of windows seven are looking more like Linux and I have tried vista and have decided it is rubbish, i still prefer windows xp and after thay suspend its support i will need an upgrade so i decided on looking at linux and ive just seen the screen shots of opensuse 11.1, its begining to look a lot like windows except its open source and as soon as its released i am switching over, though i would rather not bin offfice 2007, its the only good think microsoft is releasing thease days
    Looks can be very deceptive. Yes there's a lot of similarity between current/future Windows versions and some Linux distros when it comes to looks, but when you actually get to use the system itself, you'll discover that a lot of things are being done differently than to what you are accustomed to, thus you'll need some time to invest and get familiar with the system on a basic level to at least feel a bit comfortable using it

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    BenderBendingRodriguez wrote:
    > NT technology was bought for example, i don't
    > know about other software but it is VERY probable that other software
    > was also bought instead of creating it.


    it is my understanding that NT was not bought..it was developed by MS
    under contract with IBM, who hired them to begin work on the "Next
    Technology" for the Personal Computer (PC) market which they had
    invented....then IBM and Mr. Bill had a "falling out" and IBM
    developed OS/2 while MS continued with NT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassy View Post
    BenderBendingRodriguez wrote:
    > NT technology was bought for example, i don't
    > know about other software but it is VERY probable that other software
    > was also bought instead of creating it.


    it is my understanding that NT was not bought..it was developed by MS
    under contract with IBM, who hired them to begin work on the "Next
    Technology" for the Personal Computer (PC) market which they had
    invented....then IBM and Mr. Bill had a "falling out" and IBM
    developed OS/2 while MS continued with NT...

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    IBM has nothing to do with it. MS hired the the main developer from DEC (Dave Cutler) who was responsible for VMS at DEC and who brought many features over from VMS to NT. Then Dave remained at MS

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    > IBM has nothing to do with it. MS hired the the main developer from DEC
    > (Dave Cutler) who was responsible for VMS at DEC and who brought many
    > features over from VMS to NT. Then Dave remained at MS



    my first hand memory from the time seems to be congruent with the info
    at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Development

    Dave was hired _after_ MS and IBM ceased their cooperation on
    developing the "New Technology" which was planned to be released
    jointly by MS and IBM as OS/2 version 3.0....instead it was released
    by MS as NT 3.1 (there being no version 1, 2 or 3.0), and IBM released
    OS/2 v3.0 solo.. (it had then, and still does MS copyrights within the
    executables)

    of course, if you have documentation otherwise you may want to
    'correct' the record at the wiki

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassy View Post
    > IBM has nothing to do with it. MS hired the the main developer from DEC
    > (Dave Cutler) who was responsible for VMS at DEC and who brought many
    > features over from VMS to NT. Then Dave remained at MS



    my first hand memory from the time seems to be congruent with the info
    at Windows NT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dave was hired _after_ MS and IBM ceased their cooperation on
    developing the "New Technology" which was planned to be released
    jointly by MS and IBM as OS/2 version 3.0....instead it was released
    by MS as NT 3.1 (there being no version 1, 2 or 3.0), and IBM released
    OS/2 v3.0 solo.. (it had then, and still does MS copyrights within the
    executables)

    of course, if you have documentation otherwise you may want to
    'correct' the record at the wiki

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    the NT stuff between MS and IBM was abandoned when MS hired Dave (well, not actually abandoned but many things were changed when Dave stepped in to the point that the MS+IBM NT was not the same system anymore), so from historical perspective, yes NT started as collaboration between MS & IBM, but from what you're actually using when NT became public till now, is the works of Dave and others. When Dave came in, he brought with him many features from VMS which strongly influenced the design of NT and if you compare Dave's NT and IBM+MS early NT, they are pretty different and today you're using Dave's NT not MS+IBM NT

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    > the NT stuff between MS and IBM was abandoned when MS hired Dave (well,
    > not actually abandoned but many things were changed when Dave stepped in
    > to the point that the MS+IBM NT was not the same system anymore), so
    > from historical perspective, yes NT started as collaboration between MS
    > & IBM, but from what you're actually using when NT became public till
    > now, is the works of Dave and others. When Dave came in, he brought with
    > him many features from VMS which strongly influenced the design of NT
    > and if you compare Dave's NT and IBM+MS early NT, they are pretty
    > different and today you're using Dave's NT not MS+IBM NT


    ok...so, back to the OP's "NT technology was bought [by MS] for
    example" are we in agreement that unlike some other stuff which MS
    acquired by buying a company, a copyright, a product or hiring an
    outside vendor, in the case of NT its roots were in a by contract
    joint development which then, after the joint part was over, was
    changed dramatically in house, by a guy getting paid by MS (who
    brought with him knowledge from DEC)..

    ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassy View Post
    > the NT stuff between MS and IBM was abandoned when MS hired Dave (well,
    > not actually abandoned but many things were changed when Dave stepped in
    > to the point that the MS+IBM NT was not the same system anymore), so
    > from historical perspective, yes NT started as collaboration between MS
    > & IBM, but from what you're actually using when NT became public till
    > now, is the works of Dave and others. When Dave came in, he brought with
    > him many features from VMS which strongly influenced the design of NT
    > and if you compare Dave's NT and IBM+MS early NT, they are pretty
    > different and today you're using Dave's NT not MS+IBM NT


    ok...so, back to the OP's "NT technology was bought [by MS] for
    example" are we in agreement that unlike some other stuff which MS
    acquired by buying a company, a copyright, a product or hiring an
    outside vendor, in the case of NT its roots were in a by contract
    joint development which then, after the joint part was over, was
    changed dramatically in house, by a guy getting paid by MS (who
    brought with him knowledge from DEC)..

    ok?

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    Yes, we're in agreement with that. MS does do innovation and lots of development in-house but has also many times just bought or actually "stolen" other people's work and then claiming it was their invention - they usually buy "raw" undeveloped stuff from someone else and bring it to a higher level then claim it was originally *theirs* invention/idea. In the case of NT, they did no such thing but actually hired an outsider since they couldn't do it themselves or it was much cheaper to do so (not recall exactly which one). The reason NT has such a good ACL support (yes, even better than Linux/UNIX) is due to VMS where originally Dave worked on and brought it over to NT. However, MS can't compete with RBAC Linux/UNIX solutions like SELinux and Grsecurity. Though MS has support of RBAC like in AD or MS SQL, their implementation is not as robust as the Linux/UNIX available ones

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