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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    Yes, I did. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    rmjones101 wrote:
    > Biased Observer;1904570 Wrote:
    >> Read "Linux is not Windows" <http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm> and
    >> think
    >> about where you are (and how much you PAY to be here).

    > First... this thread has nothing to do with Windows vs Linux. It's a
    > question into the UI of the Gimp, and Photoshop happens to be a
    > comparison. Just because it happens to be a windows app, does not
    > warrant the knee-jerk Windows-Vs-*nix debate.



    No debate intended. Read "Linux is not Windows" again and every time you see
    "Linux" think GIMP, and every "Windows" think "PhotoShop".

    In other words: GIMP is not PhotoShop, nor should either be changed to mimic the
    other.


    >> Remember, if you do not like GIMP the way it is you are FREE to fork it
    >> and make
    >> it exactly the way YOU want it--try that with Photoshop.
    >>

    > You hear this misguided line of thinking thrown around a lot. It's
    > probably the least meaningful argument you can use. Not every person is
    > a developer, whereas the majority are simply the end-users. Telling
    > the typical user "Go write your own" is just plain dumb.



    By "dumb" I suppose you do not mean "Lacking the power of speech." but rather of
    low intelligence?

    And, by the way your opinion of either my intelligence or ability to speak was
    an unnecessary personal attack.


    > Many many projects do well because they design based on the end-user's
    > needs. And many more fail because they don't.
    >
    >> Free and open are a big words. (It can even be used to say: If you do
    >> not like
    >> the open framework of GIMP you are free to use Photoshop...but, you
    >> have to PAY
    >> to use it.)

    > Just because a project is free and open does not necessarily mean the
    > project devs can't listen to requests from their userbase.



    Do you not think a better place to provide feedback to the developers is NOT in
    the openSUSE forum, but rather at <http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/> where
    there is actually a chance some developers are listening?


    > The Gimp UI
    > debate has been loud for quite some time. And it's only happened
    > recently that the Gimp team has finally come to accept that perhaps
    > their UI isn't all that intuitive or easy to use, and has actually taken
    > steps to form a team devoted exclusively to redesigning the UI.



    I certainly hope they do not make the same mistake the KDE team seems to be
    making by trying to replicate the more widely used UI.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    Hey guys, ... lets "cool it" on this thread ...

    Technical suggestions are encouraged. Valuations as to the assessments, intentions, and other aspects relating to personalities of posters are not allowed in our forum. And in truth, posts with statements that can be insulting are very counter productive.

    Everyone has different views. Lets take advantage of the different views, ... not put them down.

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    Quote Originally Posted by beli0135 View Post
    OMG, why can't someone make clone of Photoshop?! At least some version from 10 years ago, like v 5.5 or something? Just clone... without inventing the hot water, just clone it?
    Most likely no one wants to be taken to court by Adobe.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    Quote Originally Posted by GofBorg View Post
    > Yes, I know this. It was the same when I passed from Win to Suse...
    > however, it is DIFFICULT. To make some simple operations like pasting to
    > layer from clipboard, creates some "floating" layer which I cant do much
    > unless I make 20 clicks over the menu... I mean, spending 2 hours just
    > trying to make a "tab" look like in Flock...


    Not sure what you want to do with the layer, but I usually use the merge
    down. You could always open a new window and edit what you want the layer
    to look like and then copy it into the other project as a new layer, then
    merge the two. It's not that hard, just different.
    Interesting, I've always used the anchor layer option.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    Quote Originally Posted by 69_rs_ss View Post
    Most likely no one wants to be taken to court by Adobe.
    Hehehe... well, you can't be at court just because you make something to have most similar menus with most similar actions without any stolen code.
    By cloning, I haven't had in mind cloning 'till the logotype and name...
    Isn't KolourPaint enhanced clone of Paint? (again, don't take word "clone" to it's literal meaning by the book).

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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    i try to be of this thread but if it pickup again...

    i want only said that i like gimp in it look like... it very usable if you did not compare it with photoshop. It can do all my work... What else i need.
    the problem was with LAB colours... but gimp have it own way on this...
    peoples talk about 16 bit for channel. this is just blablabla... no one could not distinguish the difference in fact...

    that is clear water marketing...

    some modern scanner spec
    * True Color: True 48-bit
    * Gray Mode: True 16-bit
    * Text / Line Art: 1-bit/ pixel (2 levels)
    * Optical Resolution 1200 dpi (H) x 2400 dpi (V)

    sorry but WTF? did it scan better then branded 8-10 years old scaners? I am sure - no...

    same with a printers
    old hp 690c prints photos at resolution 600 dpi is this can be comparable with 4800dpi(!!!)

    it is the same when your sound system can produced sounds in limits that people's ear can not hear...

    it is cool but nothing really helpfull...

    So some things is just for your ear that helps some company sold some goods...
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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    I never said anything that compares GIMP and Photoshop in a way which one is better or doing better job.
    My compaints of GIMP is usability, for me. Obviously, for you GIMP works perfectly, and I am very glad for that.

    We are blessed that we can choose.
    I have downloaded gimpshop which is not a clone, but at least menus and some other things are just like in photoshop, making it suitable for my use. Not totally what I wanted, but near.
    That means that someone else had the same problem and made little UI coding.

    What a wonderful world

  9. #29
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    Default Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    > just like in photoshop

    "Just like in photoshop" is good for YOU...not everyone. Certainly not for
    someone who has never used it, and grown up on GIMP.

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    Talking Re: Am I the only one who think GIMP or Krita are unusable?

    Humm,
    here's my two cents on usability.

    I'm trying to draw a straight line and a semi-circle for some 30min already.
    First I tried to search the interface for a straight line button and a circle button. Of course I knew I would fail since I know this thing for some 8 years and I know it doesn't have one.

    Solution, well I search the web on how to draw a STRAIGHT LINE.
    And of course there's good documentation (at least that) so there's a tutorial on how to draw a straight line.
    Now if you need a tutorial just to draw a straight line, then the GUI for sure has some problems.

    I'm not even going to talk about the circle, or how fantastic my desktop looks cluttered with windows.

    It seems like the developers noticed that they could use the selection tool to draw!!! humm I can paint with my lunch too. But I prefer to use some ink.

    I would say that gimp can compete with the other heavy weight of unusability, blender 3D.
    Yap that one is like trying to fly a space ship without drivers license.

    Of course the creators and the users that spent the last 10 years reading tutorials think the interface is just great.

    There's like 100 programs that have the same standard interface, and still try to give you all the hints on how to to all you want.
    Then some illuminated guy comes along and just complicates everything.

    Lesson:
    - One thing is what you think is good, the other is the standard. Even if the standard is not the your favorite, it's the best if you think about users/usability. Think about the DVD+-RW problematic. Users don't care which standard is best. They just want something that works and that's standard. Think about windows. lol (don't get me wrong I'm a linux only user.)

    Again, I think there should be a Worst User Interface / Worst Usability championship on the web.

    It would be funny, and maybe it would open some eyes.

    ps: still have that circle to draw. Will have to search for a degree on how to draw a circle.

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