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    Default OpenSuSE 11 better boot speed

    I have been using OpenSuSE for the last few months and i love it. honestly. the only complaint i have, though, is their not-so-fast boot up speed. while Ubuntu 9.04 and fedora 10 are all working towards really quick boot times, is something like that happening in the Opensuse project. we all have heard of the Ubuntu promise for Jaunty; and Fedora 10 is planning on integrating Plymouth
    http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=ply...9499d;f=README

    in their next release.
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup

    [Phoronix] A Closer Look At Red Hat's Plymouth

    what is opensuse doing in this regard?

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    anyone know?

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    > honestly. the only complaint i have, though, is their not-so-fast boot
    > up speed.


    What is the difference between SUSE and whatever is faster (Vista?)?

    Are we talking seconds?

    I mean, my machine is three years old and only a single core AMD Athlon(tm) 64
    Processor 3000+ running at 2.0 GHZ and it boots in about 57 seconds.

    How long does yours take, and what do you want?

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    I don't know what's being done, but in another set of forums this
    discussion came up and someone pointed out "if you don't need to boot the
    system often, optimizing the boot speed shouldn't really be a high
    priority....

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    I don't know what's being done, but in another set of forums this
    discussion came up and someone pointed out "if you don't need to boot the
    system often, optimizing the boot speed shouldn't really be a high
    priority....

    Jim
    i agree....IF you don't need to boot the system often.
    but that is not the point. the point is: if a good thing is out there being done by someone else in the same field, then a question should be asked as to why we are not doing it in ours. otherwise, it is a competitive world. it was never about giving people what they need...it was about making people believe that they WANT something. i mean, the whole compiz desktop effects is a prime example of it. nobody NEEDS it, but we like it, we want it.
    same thing with boot speeds. if Mac can do it, Ubuntu is doing it, Fedora is doing it....and it is not a bad thing they are doing...then there should be some very good reasons for another distro (especially of the same stature as the other two) not to try it.

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    On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:16:01 +0000, viperskunk wrote:

    > i agree....IF you don't need to boot the system often. but that is not
    > the point. the point is: if a good thing is out there being done by
    > someone else in the same field, then a question should be asked as to
    > why we are not doing it in ours. otherwise, it is a competitive world.


    With limited resources, too. That said, openSUSE is a community project,
    so anyone who is willing to put the time in can contribute. Myself, I've
    actually just installed bootchart because I was curious about my own
    systems. The funny thing is that I so rarely reboot my Linux boxes (in
    fact, the only one that regularly gets it is one laptop because I have
    some beta kernel drivers installed and they occasionally hang up), so I
    haven't had a chance to look and see what my boot speed looks like.

    > it was never about giving people what they need...it was about making
    > people believe that they WANT something. i mean, the whole compiz
    > desktop effects is a prime example of it. nobody NEEDS it, but we like
    > it, we want it.


    "Need" is probably too strong a word, but I find that Compiz does
    actually make me more productive. I mostly use the enhanced zoom
    functionality to read small text when I have trouble focusing on it, and
    while the cube rotation isn't necessary, I find the multiple desktops are
    extremely useful.

    > same thing with boot speeds. if Mac can do it, Ubuntu is doing it,
    > Fedora is doing it....and it is not a bad thing they are doing...then
    > there should be some very good reasons for another distro (especially of
    > the same stature as the other two) not to try it.


    Well, sure - and that's the beauty of a community project. If it's
    something you're personally passionate about, give it a shot. :-)

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendersj View Post
    On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:16:01 +0000, viperskunk wrote:

    > i agree....IF you don't need to boot the system often. but that is not
    > the point. the point is: if a good thing is out there being done by
    > someone else in the same field, then a question should be asked as to
    > why we are not doing it in ours. otherwise, it is a competitive world.


    With limited resources, too. That said, openSUSE is a community project,
    so anyone who is willing to put the time in can contribute. Myself, I've
    actually just installed bootchart because I was curious about my own
    systems. The funny thing is that I so rarely reboot my Linux boxes (in
    fact, the only one that regularly gets it is one laptop because I have
    some beta kernel drivers installed and they occasionally hang up), so I
    haven't had a chance to look and see what my boot speed looks like.

    > it was never about giving people what they need...it was about making
    > people believe that they WANT something. i mean, the whole compiz
    > desktop effects is a prime example of it. nobody NEEDS it, but we like
    > it, we want it.


    "Need" is probably too strong a word, but I find that Compiz does
    actually make me more productive. I mostly use the enhanced zoom
    functionality to read small text when I have trouble focusing on it, and
    while the cube rotation isn't necessary, I find the multiple desktops are
    extremely useful.

    > same thing with boot speeds. if Mac can do it, Ubuntu is doing it,
    > Fedora is doing it....and it is not a bad thing they are doing...then
    > there should be some very good reasons for another distro (especially of
    > the same stature as the other two) not to try it.


    Well, sure - and that's the beauty of a community project. If it's
    something you're personally passionate about, give it a shot. :-)

    Jim
    totally agree on every single point with you there. it is indeed a community project. but quite honestly, i have not even the slightest bit of knowhow on such coding issues. i just downloaded this e-book with deals with the absolute beginner's stuff on linux programming.
    i am interested in learning though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by viperskunk View Post
    if Mac can do it, Ubuntu is doing it, Fedora is doing it....and it is not a bad thing they are doing...then there should be some very good reasons for another distro (especially of the same stature as the other two) not to try it.
    Fedora work depends of kernel mode setting. I don't think KMS is already available in upstream projects, Fedora probably is patching. Nothing wrong with this... but Fedora is known for putting new/untested technologies the first... openSUSE can wait until KMS is integrated upstream.

    And Ubuntu... well, we have the announcement with Shuttleworth saying "We want Ubuntu to boot as fast as possible". Anything else? Because that doesn't says too much...

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    does boot up speed really matter?

    Shouldn't what matters is the experince of using the system when it is booted up? I don't know if it is slower than others, but the experince of using OpenSUSE is what matters. Or would people use a distro that boots faster and has a bad user experince?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienHealer View Post
    does boot up speed really matter?

    Shouldn't what matters is the experince of using the system when it is booted up? I don't know if it is slower than others, but the experince of using OpenSUSE is what matters. Or would people use a distro that boots faster and has a bad user experince?
    true. what is definitely more important is the user experience once booted up. but we are talking about the top 3 linux distros in the world here, namely Ubuntu, OpenSuSE, and Fedora.
    so the standards are pretty high as well.
    the user experience cannot be called bad in any of these three distros. they are equally good (it just depends on one's tastes really). so we find these cutthroat things to compare among these distros.
    the goal still remains the same...striving for perfection....it always will.
    to that end, little things matter.
    so does boot up times.

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