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    Exclamation 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    Is it possible to update my version of openSUSE without formatting the Linux partition? I did this with Ubuntu from...Gutsy Gibbon to Hardy Heron? Something like that. I don't recall ever doing that with SuSE, but it would be so nice to not have to save all my documents and such (I know you should anyway :-P). I've done searches for 'update' and 'upgrade' in the forums and on the 11.0 disc's help files. I didn't find anything pertaining to this exact issue. So, sorry if I just didn't look hard enough.

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    Default Re: 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    don't take my word for it, because I could be wrong. But if you just let it format the root partition and not the home partition then you shouldn't lose any of your documents etc, I would think.

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    Default Re: 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    I have things on the root partition too, like save games. Maybe it's possible to install it without formatting at all...Not sure that would have the effect I want anyway. I have to do these things when I'm not totally impatient due to a cold.

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    Hello,

    I did upgrade it starting actually with 9.3 and now using 11 with no separate /home partition.

    From 10.3 to 11 (using kde 3 not kde 4), like almost every time, I had to solve manually the software upgrading problems which can be a problem for some users. Eventually I uninstalled most of the non-oss and media packages and installed them later after adding the software repositories.

    The bad thing that happened from 10.3 to 11 only was the grub loader install not seeing the WinXP partition which I did add manually but after solving that all is working great.

    As you can see you may encounter problems so be sure you are ready to cope with them if you choose to upgrade.

    Good luck.

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    Default Re: 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    First of all, a word of warning.
    What you want to do is possible, but even though an upgrade from 10.3 to 11.x theoretically won't delete your personal files in the /home folder/partition there are no guarantees. Also, with a major version change, as from 10 to 11, there are usually differences that aren't compatible, that could make the installer fail in keeping your system intact, hence loosing your settings and other installations. Another thing, even though the upgrade process may be a total success, you could be unlucky and have a power failure or unreadable installation source midway in the upgrade process, leaving your system inaccessible.

    For all these reasons you should *always* backup your data before doing things like system upgrades.

    Having said that, you could do an upgrade directly from an openSuSE 11 repository on the internet with the zypper command like this:
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    zypper dist-upgrade -r http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/
    The -r option can be repeated to use several installation repositories. Typically you will need version 11 repositories for all packages you have ever installed for you current version. Otherwise those packages won't get upgraded.

    You can also do your upgrade from an installation DVD, which will offer you the possibility to upgrade instead of doing a fresh install. However, only packages available on the DVD will be upgraded.

    Personally, I always backup and do fresh installations of a new distribution, since I feel that distribution upgrades leaves problems that can take a long time to fix, if ever.

    What you prefer to do is up to you of course

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    Default Re: 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    Folks have had widely diverse experiences with this. For me - and I've done quite a few - it has worked best to use the DVD to do an in-place upgrade; gives me better visibility and control. A lesser known detail with that method is the feature to add repositories, like Packman and nvidia, to the upgrade. The updates repo can also be added up front, which can sometimes be helpful resolving dependencies. As rightly stated already, it really is a matter of personal preference.

    In any event, a common thread from experienced users is how very important it is to have a verified backup. Many users only concern themselves with what's in /home or their "user data". IME, being able to see what was installed/how something was configured before the upgrade, has helped a lot at resolving a problem. I keep a mirror of the core system on a separate bootable partition - that way I can back reference for diagnostics or even have a failsafe should the whole upgrade tank. Some upgrades are trivial, others major - sometimes you don't know which until you've done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rackham View Post
    Having said that, you could do an upgrade directly from an openSuSE 11 repository on the internet with the zypper command like this:
    Code:
    zypper dist-upgrade -r http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/
    The -r option can be repeated to use several installation repositories. Typically you will need version 11 repositories for all packages you have ever installed for you current version. Otherwise those packages won't get upgraded.

    You can also do your upgrade from an installation DVD, which will offer you the possibility to upgrade instead of doing a fresh install. However, only packages available on the DVD will be upgraded.
    I tried the Zypper thing yesterday and it said dist-upgrade was an unknown command. I didn't have the parameters, but I'd think it shouldn't say unknown despite that. I don't know. I'd love to do it from the disc, but you can't from the LiveCD? That's what I burnt. We have no DVDs and I don't know if this drive burns them anyway.

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    Default Re: 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    You got the unknown command error because you weren't logged in as root.

    No, the upgrade cannot be done from CD. The DVD supports that. But if you want to do what zypper dist-upgrade does, you can do that from YaST Software Management - arguably it's easier. First, make sure all the repositories you want are added - the 11.0 oss, non-oss, packman, etc. Same for ATI or nvidia drivers if you use those. Also the 11.0 Updates.

    Filter on Repositories. The first choice in the list is @System; click on it to show all installed packages. Right-click in the list, a context menu comes up, select "All in this list . . .", another context menu, select "Update if newer version available". You'll then be hit with the dependency conflicts. Be patient and work through them. I've done it this way a nbr of times; it works.

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    Default Re: 10.3 - 11 upgrade

    Yes and a good thing too should NEVER log in as root use su or sudo in a console

    Quote Originally Posted by mingus725 View Post
    You got the unknown command error because you weren't logged in as root.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mingus725 View Post
    You got the unknown command error because you weren't logged in as root.

    If you want to do what zypper dist-upgrade does, you can do that from YaST Software Management - arguably it's easier.
    I was root. Do I have to be in a certain directory? YaST sounds good, though. Maybe I'll try that. Someone mentioned after upgrading that the XP option wasn't visible in the boot loader? I have to be sure that nothing on the XP partition is messed up because this is my grandfather's machine. So could someone explain in detail how to add XP back to the menu? Or point me to another thread that explains it?

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