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    Cool virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    so u noticed this is my first post... my other account got deleted maybe because of the forum merge or something but anyways i'm back with a lot more to share...

    I am still waiting for opensuse 11 to finish the download... i'm in congo and it takes 24hrs to download the live cd... i know horrible right... i pay $150 dollars for this a month...

    anyways to point... I was wondering if it would be better virtualizing xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp...

    i personally prefer keeping opensuse my OS but I was wondering what performance difference would it give....

    I wish i could just keep linux but somethings i just can't live without that only work on win
    and ofcourse linux is a must!....

    looking forward to opensuse support!...

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    Default Re: virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    Using VirtualBox on Suse to run XP works great and you don't have to worry about getting XP viruses destroying your system.

    Usually, I just look for ways to get things done without even using Windows. Except for gaming, there isn't much that Windows can do that Linux cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mooreted View Post
    Using VirtualBox on Suse to run XP works great and you don't have to worry about getting XP viruses destroying your system.

    Usually, I just look for ways to get things done without even using Windows. Except for gaming, there isn't much that Windows can do that Linux cannot.
    I do to but eventhough i like linux/opensuse so much i cannot compromise productivity... Photoshop for example... I also trade forex so tools such as metatrader 4... Ruckus Player etc... There isn't much I can do about all that... And not everything works under wine..

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    Default Re: virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    aslamc wrote:

    >
    > so u noticed this is my first post... my other account got deleted maybe
    > because of the forum merge or something but anyways i'm back with a lot
    > more to share...
    >
    > I am still waiting for opensuse 11 to finish the download... i'm in
    > congo and it takes 24hrs to download the live cd... i know horrible
    > right... i pay $150 dollars for this a month...
    >
    > anyways to point... I was wondering if it would be better virtualizing
    > xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp...
    >
    > i personally prefer keeping opensuse my OS but I was wondering what
    > performance difference would it give....
    >
    > I wish i could just keep linux but somethings i just can't live with
    > that only work on win
    > and ofcourse linux is a must!....
    >
    > looking forward to opensuse support!...
    >
    >

    go with your primary os - where do you spend most of your time
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    Default Re: virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    Quote Originally Posted by aslamc View Post
    I also trade forex so tools such as metatrader 4... Ruckus Player etc... There isn't much I can do about all that... And not everything works under wine..
    Its been a while ( 'bout 10 years) since I looked at forex software, but there was a time when some forex trading software provided (and required) a hardware locking device that one connected to their parallel port. They did this to try prevent users from hacking their software. I don't know if this is the case with your software but if so, and if you need to use such a device, then that device may not function correctly if XP is a client in a virtual session under openSUSE.

    Otherwise, if you do not use games, my guess is having openSUSE as your main OS, and winXP as a client, is a good way to go. Support for winXP is gradually being removed by Microsoft.

    If it were me, and I was uncertain, and if my hard drive was large enough (large hard drives are inexpensive) then I would install both openSUSE and WinXP in a dual boot. Then I would install openSUSE as a virtual client under WinXP, and install WinXP as a virtual client under openSUSE. I would evaluate the two, and go with the setup that worked best for me.

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    Default Re: virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    Well, to give you and example, when I first started with Linux I made a dual boot system.
    put XP on one partition, openSUSE (and swap) on a second and third partition and a big NTFS partition to put all the shared data.

    The main thing that happened with this setup is that I did not really get to use Linux because I did not know my way around it and kept having to go back into Windows to be productive.

    I setup a different strategy that worked for me;

    1) Maintain an XP system partition (so you can boot into it when needed)
    2) Make three partitions for openSUSE (for the swap, / and /home)
    3) Make a shared NTFS partition that both XP and openSUSE are allowed to use

    * To get past the 4 partitions per disk limitation you can make one LVM container or use an win95 extended partition.
    Another option is to use a boot manager like BootIT. This last option can make life very easy with testing and imaging.

    Once setup, get yourself working in openSUSE by default.
    For all related XP apps you can make a virtual XP system that has a disk big enough to hold xp/programs.

    Shared data and the VM :
    In the XP VM you can access partition 3) by making a Samba share in openSUSE and map this as D in the VM. This is to place all your important data outside the VM.
    By doing this you also have the advantage that you can make use of snapshots for the XP vm and keep it clean by reverting to a set point (a point where you have set it up as you like but it's not too bloated) once every so often.

    Following this I noticed I was starting my XP vm quite often (and sometimes booted back into the XP at 1), but the more I learned how to do things in openSUSE the less I need XP. Now I would say 80% in openSUSE, 20% XP (for some specific applications and tools). I haven't booted into XP at 1) for 7 or 8 months.

    One thing that you will need in running openSUSE and XP as vm and also wanting to use programs like photoshop... Enough RAM!!
    I would say to get at lease 2 GB in you system.

    Well.. that was my 2c

    Sorry for the long story, but thought it might give some extra ideas in how you can set it up.

    Hope this kept you busy and your download is finished!

    Cheers,
    Wj

    ps. Both VirtualBox and VMWare Workstation are two good tools to do this with, the first one being OSS. Don't forget to install the guest tools for XP (goes for both Vbox and VMWare)
    Have a lot of fun!

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    Default Re: virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    thanks,
    but my download still has 3 more hrs to go...

    The problem that I have with dual boot is that I need to use xp and suse at the same time and virtualization is my only option... 99% I was going virtualize xp on suse but I was just wondering if there was any 1 strong point that would make me switch to have xp as my main... like to stay open minded... oh and I have shared my desktop on virtualbox the way I am using it right now and mapped the drive so I can easily access it from my computer... and for me 50% of my needs are with windows... I try getting rid of xp but there is always 1 thing or the other the requires me to use xp... somethings such as ruckus doesn't have a linux solution yet...

    Also I was wondering is there anyway I can copy my whole setup on virtualbox from ubuntu and when I install opensuse 11 just transfer the whole thing isntead of reinstalling windows again on it... my guess would be no but I might get lucky...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    Its been a while ( 'bout 10 years) since I looked at forex software, but there was a time when some forex trading software provided (and required) a hardware locking device that one connected to their parallel port. They did this to try prevent users from hacking their software. I don't know if this is the case with your software but if so, and if you need to use such a device, then that device may not function correctly if XP is a client in a virtual session under openSUSE.

    Otherwise, if you do not use games, my guess is having openSUSE as your main OS, and winXP as a client, is a good way to go. Support for winXP is gradually being removed by Microsoft.

    If it were me, and I was uncertain, and if my hard drive was large enough (large hard drives are inexpensive) then I would install both openSUSE and WinXP in a dual boot. Then I would install openSUSE as a virtual client under WinXP, and install WinXP as a virtual client under openSUSE. I would evaluate the two, and go with the setup that worked best for me.
    forex software don't need any hardware encryption anymore... Metatrader the one I use for charting can run under wine but its not completely functional and the software I use to make the trades (oanda) is java so it works on suse... pretty well after installing the fonts... it still has some minor issues but I don't chart on it so that fine... however I still need xp for my other apps... Once the download is done I'll just install suse and virtualize xp... If there is a way to copy my whole virtualization setup from virtualbox that would be great...

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    forgot to mention I do have 2GB of ram this laptop... I also have seld 10.0 but I am going to install opensuse 11 on another laptop that has 512 ram centrino 1.73ghz...

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    Default Re: virtualize xp on opensuse or opensuse on xp?

    Quote Originally Posted by aslamc View Post
    Also I was wondering is there anyway I can copy my whole setup on virtualbox from ubuntu and when I install opensuse 11 just transfer the whole thing isntead of reinstalling windows again on it... my guess would be no but I might get lucky...
    P2V XP you mean? You could do that without to much problems.

    I've done this enough times with VMWare and Xen setups.. VirtualBox should be no different.

    As a first attempt you could just make an image of XP (using your favorite imaging software), copy that image into an ISO file format, mount the ISO in your XP vm guest & write that image back onto the virtual hard disk.

    See if that boots up 'as is' and if so, install the Virtual box guest addons.
    If you get a BSOD or reboot loop, there are ways to inject the needed disk controller drivers into your XP guest.

    .. I am going to install opensuse 11 on another laptop that has 512 ram centrino 1.73ghz..
    Hope your not planning on running the XP vm with that laptop? openSUSE should run fine on the laptop.
    Have a lot of fun!

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