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    Angry Linux developers need to open the **** eyes

    OK, starting from here:

    OS Statistics

    2003 March 2.2%
    2008 June 3.7%

    Indeed.. is going up.. about 1 percent in 5 years... do we really need to wait 250 years ???

    Honestly, most of the linux developers need to think a bit how to improve the whole stuff, and i can say, GUI play a huge role here.

    I think peoples need to start to identify whats the problem with linux and why is not adopted at lage scale like MS OS's.

    Agreed, linux have lots of problems. Lets fix them? Who are the best candidates? Installers? GUIS? Updaters? Security? Packages systems? Libs versions? Games? WTF i can continue all day...

    I say also, remove the **** old compatibility with old systems, write down everything around today computers.

    Fine, you have an ancient computer, will be a distro for you, or grab an older version.

    Thanks for reading, maybe peoples involved or who cares about linux get any ideas from that.

    PS. As you can see, MAC is going up for a couple of reasons (even cost money).. try to identify them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    I think peoples need to start to identify whats the problem with linux and why is not adopted at lage scale like MS OS's.
    You're forgetting one important thing - Microsoft established their foothold a decade before Linux was even implemented for the first time - they were able to build their Microsoft DOS / Windows culture into large corporations during the 80s and 90s - with much of the software written directly for Windows in mind, porting it over to other systems would have been ludicrously expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    WTF i can continue all day...
    I can make the same list about almost every other operating system - each of them have their problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    I say also, remove the **** old compatibility with old systems, write down everything around today computers.
    Not a realistic idea - even Vista has compatibility modes with 90s applications because businesses and even individuals still need them.

    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    Fine, you have an ancient computer, will be a distro for you, or grab an older version.
    Again not a good idea nor a sensible one - if you tell people to grab older versions, you'll effectively tell them to run out of date software putting both their machines and their privacy into risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    PS. As you can see, MAC is going up for a couple of reasons (even cost money).. try to identify them.
    Macs are doing well because they don't have to support a large variety of hardware - that's one of the key selling points. When you isolate certain components you can design your entire system around them - improving both stability and compatibility also they have a unified system - it's like if you only had one Linux distribution.

    Whilst I'm in favour of reducing the number of Linux distributions, other don't agree - it's their choice.

    Macs also have a different design philosophy in mind, many of the applications rely on the "big app that gets the job done" whilst on most Unices it has always been "small applications that do their things well" patchwork mentality.

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    ok...but, from your posts in other fora here i think you now have about
    three days Linux experience, and all of that with version 11 and KDE4,
    and none of it totally pleasing....am i right?

    if so, then let me gently suggest at this point you might be better off
    to do less throwing of suggestions and more INITIAL tuning of your system..

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    Default Re: Linux developers need to open the **** eyes

    This might help you understand Linux a little better.

    Linux is NOT Windows
    Inquiring minds want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    ok...but, from your posts in other fora here i think you now have about
    three days Linux experience, and all of that with version 11 and KDE4,
    and none of it totally pleasing....am i right?

    if so, then let me gently suggest at this point you might be better off
    to do less throwing of suggestions and more INITIAL tuning of your system..

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    You are totally wrong my friend, i have 3 days of opensuse11... actually, i bit more i think

    But your point is wrong, totally, you see.. Why new users must be "welcome" like that?

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    Default Re: Linux developers need to open the **** eyes

    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    You are totally wrong my friend, i have 3 days of opensuse11... actually, i bit more i think

    But your point is wrong, totally, you see.. Why new users must be "welcome" like that?
    Because Linux isn't windows, there is a small learning curve. Just like any other OS, if someone used linux all there life and then tried windows, they'd think it's jacked up

    Things like proprietary codecs can't come with suse because it's illegal to have them in many countries, let alone distribute them(yes that includes the US and many European countries)

    PS: I've been using linux for 3 or 4 years now
    "If it ain't broke, find something wrong with it"

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    I agree with learning curve, EVERYTHING in that world have.

    But, i was talking about the OS percents, Linux imho have much more advantages that any other OS on the market today, and still is under 4%... why???

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    Default Re: Linux developers need to open the **** eyes

    Quote Originally Posted by lasterror View Post
    Linux imho have much more advantages that any other OS on the market today, and still is under 4%... why???
    IMHO the major reason is Microsoft have a monopoly and have the OEM new PC OS market sewn up. This has also ensured that they have a monopoly on getting hardware manufacturers to always provide drivers for Windoze OS, with priority over every other OS, and often to the exclusion of every other OS.

    I also don't believe the amount of "under-the-table" deals, nor the "arm-twisting" deals that have taken place wrt Microsoft to ensure they keep the OEM OS market for PCs, has come to light yet for the general public to fully understand.

    In general, wrt monopolies, it takes a very long time (and sometimes only government intervention can succeed) to crack a monopoly.

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    I guess the main reason is that the most new pcs are sold with a preinstalled oem windows version (the most users then don't even think about their os they just use it). The bigger part in the stats are then the home pcs where the preinstalled windows runs. In the other sectors the stats may look different (server market for example).

    EDIT:
    I see that oldcpu was a bit faster than me

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    Default Re: Linux developers need to open the **** eyes

    On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:16:03 +0000, lasterror wrote:

    > I agree with learning curve, EVERYTHING in that world have.
    >
    > But, i was talking about the OS percents, Linux imho have much more
    > advantages that any other OS on the market today, and still is under
    > 4%... why???


    Because people use applications. Applications get built for popular
    platforms. In order for Linux to become popular, software developers
    need to develop applications for it, but it's not economically viable to
    do so until the OS reaches a certain userbase.

    So you end up in a cycle of apps becoming available when the OS becomes
    popular enough to sustain the development efforts, but that doesn't
    happen until the apps are there.

    The thing that *breaks* the cycle for Linux is the development of OSS
    equivalents of the apps. But that takes time, especially when people are
    doing the development work unpaid (ie, they have real jobs to put food on
    the table).

    So if you *really* want to see Linux take off, learn to program and
    contribute to a project or two.

    Jim

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