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    Angry 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Honestly.

    The lack of support for some much desired software has left me a tad 'breathless.'

    For instance: FreeTDS and PHP5-mssql modules.

    From what I can tell, this has been a desired feature for a long time.

    Is it in 11.0? Is it worth updating? No and no.

    Come on, Novell. I realize this is community based software, but if you have the time to modify Yast to be almost detrimental to my carpal tunnel, you can certainly devote some resources to making a package for FreeTDS and adding --with-mssql to the configuration for PHP5 during compile time.

    This would save me (and I'm sure a lot of other folks) a lot of time compiling our own LAMPHP5 and risk having it conflict with the existing LAMPHP5 that doesn't have these two VERY USEFUL, VERY DESIRED, capabilities that appear to be no-brainers to apply.

    I just have one question: do your developers even LOOK at the desired feature list?

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Why do you need MSSQL? If you do, run IIS + PHP + MSSQL - you've already paid for the server part anyway.

    Yeah and I'm quite sure "it's a huge task" - re-compiling PHP from SRPM takes a few minutes with the mssql parameter included. I'm sure that carpal tunnel just got a whole lot worse.

    Plus this is a rant - To the Soap!

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Post moved to Soapbox as Chrysantine stated.

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    That's not the point.

    The point is there are quite a few new things OpenSuSE can get and call it a new release without changing some of its fundamentals like YAST.

    YAST, for all intents and purposes, was great in 10.3. At least IMHO.

    I can barely work in the YAST of 11.0. It's not only different, but insta-keys are non-existent during installation of software. That's a big change and a big re-write.

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Quote Originally Posted by WarpKat View Post
    The lack of support for some much desired software has left me a tad 'breathless.'
    Here's how you can help. This list is displayed in order of how fast it will be brought to the developers' attention:

    1. File a bug report. https://bugzilla.novell.com/
    2. Discuss this on the Project mailing list. Communicate/Mailinglists - openSUSE
    3. Discuss this on the #opensuse-project IRC channel. Communicate/IRC - openSUSE
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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Quote Originally Posted by WarpKat View Post
    I can barely work in the YAST of 11.0. It's not only different, but insta-keys are non-existent during installation of software. That's a big change and a big re-write.
    Are we using the same openSUSE-11.0? I am using KDE-3.5.9.

    The main difference that I really note about YaST in openSUSE-11.0 is it is faster. SIGNIFICANTLY faster than that in 10.3. IMHO YaST is better than ever. And IMHO in openSUSE-11.0 KDE-3.5.9 YaST is DEFINITELY superior to that in 10.3.

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    The main difference that I really note about YaST in openSUSE-11.0 is it is faster.
    YaST in 11.0 also has SIGNIFICANTLY superior tablet support to that in 10.3.

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    You are complaining about features that many OpenSuse users won't even realizing don't come in the distro, and are easily compilable for any user that knows what they are doing.

    Yet you slam them for working on YAST a tool that will be used by every single user that uses OpenSuse.

    It is not like the have infinite time to work on the project and they should work on the most important stuff first, and maybe if a few people have some time to join and get something like what you want into the distro with the testing to make sure it all works safely it can be done in the future. But to rant like there is something wrong with 11.0 over those features seems silly in my opinion

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    Quote Originally Posted by oldcpu View Post
    YaST in 11.0 also has SIGNIFICANTLY superior tablet support to that in 10.3.
    For the number of tablets out there, nobody cares. There are lots of other improvements that could have/should have been made instead.

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    Default Re: 10.3 Was Better, Even Without FreeTDS

    There will always be some "improvements" that can be made, it's a never ending process. If you don't like 11.0, go back to 10.3, it still has support. And after all, Linux is about choice, you are free to use, or not use, as the case may be, ANY distro. It's always better to work with the developers and voice your concerns rather than just ranting about how "openSOOS 11.0 suXors" 'Nuff said.
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