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    Default Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    Why is the opensuse 11.0 dvd set only 6.7 gigs on a single DVD?

    Why is it not mentioned in ANY advertising that it's a single disk or that it's only 6.7 gigs?

    Why am I being "ripped-off" in buying a retail set when it's barely more than the free download?

    Opensuse 10.3 was a whopping 13 gigs! it was two dual-layer DVDs, where did all that "stuff" go ?

    and now, in 11.0 we get this puny single 6.7 gig disk?
    and it doesn't even include some very critical basic packages (like nasm for example).

    oh, your argument is that I can get those online? well, I'm sorry, but where I install, I don't have internet, at all, so what does that get me?

    I can't believe all the major, very critical packages that are not included.

    And when I did a text-only install, and told it to skip the internet tests, it refused! it kept trying and trying and trying and trying, again and again, over 45 minutes and still trying.

    i can't get it to abort. it keeps coming up and saying "abort, skip, retry", I press "abort", it tries again, I press "skip" it tries again.

    this reminds me of the "gilligans island" spoof, "internet theme song" (trapped on the internet).

    How do I get a decent DVD set (please don't say use Kiwi and make my own unless you're prepared to outline in detail exactly how to do that) ?

    or failing a decent set, how do I get a refund?

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    ab@novell.com NNTP User

    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

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    If you downloaded all the media available for opensuse 11 you probably
    downloaded a lot of extra stuff. What exactly did you download? Have
    names of the ISOs? Some of the extra could have been a lot of source
    code, among other things.

    Good luck.





    captaincapacitor wrote:
    | Why is the opensuse 11.0 dvd set only 6.7 gigs on a single DVD?
    |
    | Why is it not mentioned in ANY advertising that it's a single disk or
    | that it's only 6.7 gigs?
    |
    | Why am I being "ripped-off" in buying a retail set when it's barely
    | more than the free download?
    |
    | Opensuse 10.3 was a whopping 13 gigs! it was two dual-layer DVDs, where
    | did all that "stuff" go ?
    |
    | and now, in 11.0 we get this puny single 6.7 gig disk?
    | and it doesn't even include some very critical basic packages (like
    | nasm for example).
    |
    | oh, your argument is that I can get those online? well, I'm sorry, but
    | where I install, I don't have internet, at all, so what does that get
    | me?
    |
    | I can't believe all the major, very critical packages that are not
    | included.
    |
    | And when I did a text-only install, and told it to skip the internet
    | tests, it refused! it kept trying and trying and trying and trying,
    | again and again, over 45 minutes and still trying.
    |
    | i can't get it to abort. it keeps coming up and saying "abort, skip,
    | retry", I press "abort", it tries again, I press "skip" it tries
    | again.
    |
    | this reminds me of the "gilligans island" spoof, "internet theme song"
    | (trapped on the internet).
    |
    | How do I get a decent DVD set (please don't say use Kiwi and make my
    | own unless you're prepared to outline in detail exactly how to do that)
    | ?
    |
    | or failing a decent set, how do I get a refund?
    |
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    ab@novell.com NNTP User

    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

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    Also it seems you're missing some benefits of the boxed version,
    including documentation (I think) and support for a period of time.

    Good luck.





    ab@novell.com wrote:
    | If you downloaded all the media available for opensuse 11 you probably
    | downloaded a lot of extra stuff. What exactly did you download? Have
    | names of the ISOs? Some of the extra could have been a lot of source
    | code, among other things.
    |
    | Good luck.
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    | captaincapacitor wrote:
    | | Why is the opensuse 11.0 dvd set only 6.7 gigs on a single DVD?
    | |
    | | Why is it not mentioned in ANY advertising that it's a single disk or
    | | that it's only 6.7 gigs?
    | |
    | | Why am I being "ripped-off" in buying a retail set when it's barely
    | | more than the free download?
    | |
    | | Opensuse 10.3 was a whopping 13 gigs! it was two dual-layer DVDs, where
    | | did all that "stuff" go ?
    | |
    | | and now, in 11.0 we get this puny single 6.7 gig disk?
    | | and it doesn't even include some very critical basic packages (like
    | | nasm for example).
    | |
    | | oh, your argument is that I can get those online? well, I'm sorry, but
    | | where I install, I don't have internet, at all, so what does that get
    | | me?
    | |
    | | I can't believe all the major, very critical packages that are not
    | | included.
    | |
    | | And when I did a text-only install, and told it to skip the internet
    | | tests, it refused! it kept trying and trying and trying and trying,
    | | again and again, over 45 minutes and still trying.
    | |
    | | i can't get it to abort. it keeps coming up and saying "abort, skip,
    | | retry", I press "abort", it tries again, I press "skip" it tries
    | | again.
    | |
    | | this reminds me of the "gilligans island" spoof, "internet theme song"
    | | (trapped on the internet).
    | |
    | | How do I get a decent DVD set (please don't say use Kiwi and make my
    | | own unless you're prepared to outline in detail exactly how to do that)
    | | ?
    | |
    | | or failing a decent set, how do I get a refund?
    | |
    | |
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    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 18:36 +0000, captaincapacitor wrote:
    > Why is the opensuse 11.0 dvd set only 6.7 gigs on a single DVD?
    >
    > Why is it not mentioned in ANY advertising that it's a single disk or
    > that it's only 6.7 gigs?


    It's a dual layer DVD disk... what's so different than the past?

    >
    > Why am I being "ripped-off" in buying a retail set when it's barely
    > more than the free download?


    OPEN...SUSE is a free community produced product. However, when
    you visit opensuse.org, a pressed DVD, a manual and installation
    support don't ooze out of the various orifices of your computer.


    My point is that buying a retail box isn't like the old (pre openSUSE)
    days where there were some additional trialware or even supported
    commercial packages on the boxed version. You may have noticed this
    transition going from the 9's to the 10's.

    The convenience of pressed media, the manual and the brief installation
    support period is what you are buying when you get the boxed
    version.

    >
    > Opensuse 10.3 was a whopping 13 gigs! it was two dual-layer DVDs, where
    > did all that "stuff" go ?


    I don't think the source is included in the boxed version. And the
    new version does used much better compression. Also, some packages
    have been removed because of incompatibility or the fact that
    they have died due to lack of a maintainer.


    >
    > and now, in 11.0 we get this puny single 6.7 gig disk?
    > and it doesn't even include some very critical basic packages (like
    > nasm for example).
    >
    > oh, your argument is that I can get those online? well, I'm sorry, but
    > where I install, I don't have internet, at all, so what does that get
    > me?


    I think that is a valid point. It's is openSUSE... so this is
    fixable for future releases... BUT somebody has to do the work
    to make this happen.

    >
    > I can't believe all the major, very critical packages that are not
    > included.


    Blame the community.... err.. wait a minute... that's YOU and me!!
    Sorry, but openSUSE is NOT like the old SUSE Professional. It's
    a pro and a con. The good news is that we're not arbitrarily
    constrained. The bad news is that we don't have 72 hours in
    a single day.

    >
    > And when I did a text-only install, and told it to skip the internet
    > tests, it refused! it kept trying and trying and trying and trying,
    > again and again, over 45 minutes and still trying.


    That sounds like a bug. I'm with you on that last step part,
    I don't like it trying to reach the outside world as a part
    of installation... that's just stupid (for many reasons).

    >
    > i can't get it to abort. it keeps coming up and saying "abort, skip,
    > retry", I press "abort", it tries again, I press "skip" it tries
    > again.


    I've seen this kind of problem throughout the 10's as well.

    >
    > this reminds me of the "gilligans island" spoof, "internet theme song"
    > (trapped on the internet).
    >
    > How do I get a decent DVD set (please don't say use Kiwi and make my
    > own unless you're prepared to outline in detail exactly how to do that)
    > ?
    >
    > or failing a decent set, how do I get a refund?


    Ooh... now that's a VERY good question. Not sure.

    Sorry 11.0 (emphasis on the .0 part) didn't work out for you.
    Let's just say there is PLENTY of room for another Linux
    distribution in this world.... the question will is, will it
    be CaptainCapacitor 1.0 or Cjcox 1.0?

    I know this reply didn't help much. I do think you raised
    some excellent issues/points though.



  5. #5

    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    Also have the same complaints about the boxed version.
    I already opened a thread about my feelings on this , becuz' i felt like i didn't get enough for my money (paid ~$100 shipment fees included).
    Now i am locked with individual packages searches, everytime i can get an active internet connection, and then back to my installed openSuse to install those packages. Actually i've spent 6days back and fourth with this method .
    It 'll take me ages to have all the required dependencies for things that i want to install .
    I'm very disappointed with the boxed version of these release

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    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    Quote Originally Posted by captaincapacitor View Post
    Why is the opensuse 11.0 dvd set only 6.7 gigs on a single DVD?

    Opensuse 10.3 was a whopping 13 gigs! it was two dual-layer DVDs, where did all that "stuff" go
    FYI it's a technique of compression and images. Using the latest compression tools they have squeezed 30% more onto the CD/DVD than before.

    Uncompressed there's 16 GB on the dual layer DVD that you received

    Have fun...
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    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    well that's just wrong,
    or an outright lie.

    DRBD is not included, nor heartbeat, nor nasm, yasm, nor tons of perl packages

    also missing is MAJOR packages of mysql, like mysql-devel! yikes!

    so don't tell me there's 13gig uncompressed, that's just a plain lie.

    the only way I've found to make the install work is to use the GM (free download) version of suse 11.0 with minimal text install, runs about 216 megs.

    BTW that's ANOTHER *BUG*

    If I do the exact same install using the retail box disk, I get almost 900megs of stuff. what the? I mean come on people, at least make it consistent! the 200mb is what we want.

    BTW yet another BUG in that, the GM (free) release version claims it's installing 711mb of stuff, but installs 216mb, uh slight math problem there. though I do prefer the 200megs.

    we're pumping out appliances, so the less, the better.

    I really want to "press my own" suse, a 200meg LIVE disk, that you can also install, but kiwi/product creator is just too complicated.

    and what the other person said about "someone has to do that work", well that comment is highly MISLEADING. think about it.

    it was there in 10.3, someone did all that WORK to take it OUT, soo, they could have saved all the work and trouble and left it IN. see what I mean? someone spent extra effort to give us LESS.

    I say "foul"! it's unfair, and it's not right.

    And please, by 11.1, PLEASE stop making it force us to try the internet! just, take it out for those that one it. maybe have a checkbox during install "installing offline" or something. eesh.

    in the meantime I'm duplicating the mirrors myself, and making my OWN dual-layer DVDs so I can do proper offline installs.

    BTW Novell/Suse makes it *really* hard to make a mirror... yuck.

    I still wouldn't use another distro, ever. it's still the best, but like a ".0" release, it has it's work cut out for it.

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    BryanPearson NNTP User

    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    I just bought the retail package myself. I was surprised it contained only one DVD. It is a dual-layer, with both 32-bit and 64-bit installs on it. I expected to get a second disk with additional packages on it, like I did with the 10.3 retail package. I quote from the included OpenSUSE 11.0 Startup manual: "When installing openSUS, choose from several media available either online or in the retail box:

    DVD-retail
    Two DVD9 media, only available with the the retail box. ... The second DVD contains a snapshot of ftp.opensuse.org with a large number of additional packages.

    So where is this second DVD? I ordered it through Novell. I called their customer service, got transferred to Digital River customer service, and was told a support request had been generated which (they say) should result in either an email being sent to explain why there is only one DVD, or they will ship me the other DVD.

    Hardly the first time I have had problems, but this is troubling.

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    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    Quote Originally Posted by snakedriver View Post
    FYI it's a technique of compression and images. Using the latest compression tools they have squeezed 30% more onto the CD/DVD than before.

    Uncompressed there's 16 GB on the dual layer DVD that you received

    Have fun...
    I will admit to being disappointed that cd's of the livecd's for cd only systems were not included in the box set. I haven't verified if images are on the dvd to burn them but that would have been an excellent use of some of that extra free space.

  10. #10

    Default Re: Why is the retail opensuse 11.0 so small?

    The second disc (in 9.3) only included .src.rpms, later it also had a number of extra i586/'x86_64 because space got even tighter. Sad the srpm disc is gone though :-(

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