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    Default Wretched fonts

    Wanted to share my observations and see what you guys think.
    At work I have OpenSuSE 11 installed under VMware on my box
    AMD 3800+ with an nVidia 6XXX series dual head. I output
    to tow Viewsonic VP171B....life is good.

    At home I have installed Open SuSE 11 on my box there (NOT IN a VM),
    Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, Intel onboard video I think i865 or something like that
    pumping out to a 19" Proview CRT.

    Setting the exact same fonts on the VMware session and my home rig,
    the home rig fonts look like complete hell.

    Any idea which of these areas are the most likely culprit?
    I see complaints about fonts quite a bit, but I'm starting to think
    it's not the fonts at all, but perhaps srewball video drivers.
    One of the next things I am going to try is dropping in an FX5500 with
    nvidia drivers and see if the rendering problem goes away.



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    Thread moved

    Please post in the appropriate forum. The General forum is not intended for help requests. Thanks...
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    Tony Sperling NNTP User

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    A long shot - if you cannibalized the setup between them and now happen to
    use the DPI from a widescreen LCD on a CRT, that could be one reason why it
    probably isn't looking very good. As for the fonts themselves, I believe
    there is a significant variation as to what displays well under various
    resolutions.

    Test a few other fonts and see if there is any difference? I would try out
    some of the older classic fonts as they can be expected to look good in
    low-res.


    Tony. . .



    "GofBorg" <GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote in message
    news:m_tak.252$o16.247@kozak.provo.novell.com...
    > Wanted to share my observations and see what you guys think.
    > At work I have OpenSuSE 11 installed under VMware on my box
    > AMD 3800+ with an nVidia 6XXX series dual head. I output
    > to tow Viewsonic VP171B....life is good.
    >
    > At home I have installed Open SuSE 11 on my box there (NOT IN a VM),
    > Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, Intel onboard video I think i865 or something like that
    > pumping out to a 19" Proview CRT.
    >
    > Setting the exact same fonts on the VMware session and my home rig,
    > the home rig fonts look like complete hell.
    >
    > Any idea which of these areas are the most likely culprit?
    > I see complaints about fonts quite a bit, but I'm starting to think
    > it's not the fonts at all, but perhaps srewball video drivers.
    > One of the next things I am going to try is dropping in an FX5500 with
    > nvidia drivers and see if the rendering problem goes away.
    >
    >




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    Default Re: Wretched fonts

    On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:54:24 GMT
    "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote:

    > A long shot - if you cannibalized the setup between them and now
    > happen to use the DPI from a widescreen LCD on a CRT, that could be
    > one reason why it probably isn't looking very good. As for the fonts
    > themselves, I believe there is a significant variation as to what
    > displays well under various resolutions.
    >
    > Test a few other fonts and see if there is any difference? I would
    > try out some of the older classic fonts as they can be expected to
    > look good in low-res.
    >
    >
    > Tony. . .
    >
    >
    >
    > "GofBorg" <GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote in message
    > news:m_tak.252$o16.247@kozak.provo.novell.com...
    > > Wanted to share my observations and see what you guys think.
    > > At work I have OpenSuSE 11 installed under VMware on my box
    > > AMD 3800+ with an nVidia 6XXX series dual head. I output
    > > to tow Viewsonic VP171B....life is good.
    > >
    > > At home I have installed Open SuSE 11 on my box there (NOT IN a VM),
    > > Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, Intel onboard video I think i865 or something
    > > like that pumping out to a 19" Proview CRT.
    > >
    > > Setting the exact same fonts on the VMware session and my home rig,
    > > the home rig fonts look like complete hell.
    > >
    > > Any idea which of these areas are the most likely culprit?
    > > I see complaints about fonts quite a bit, but I'm starting to think
    > > it's not the fonts at all, but perhaps srewball video drivers.
    > > One of the next things I am going to try is dropping in an FX5500
    > > with nvidia drivers and see if the rendering problem goes away.
    > >
    > >

    >
    >

    Hi
    xdpyinfo should help you out as well. I normally set the dpi in
    the xorg.conf as an option.

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    > A long shot - if you cannibalized the setup between them and now happen to
    > use the DPI from a widescreen LCD on a CRT, that could be one reason why
    > it probably isn't looking very good.


    It was a clean install, I just remembered what I had set a work for the font
    names and sizes. Input them through the Desktop settings Font control panel.

    > As for the fonts themselves, I
    > believe there is a significant variation as to what displays well under
    > various resolutions.


    I thought about this as well and changed my resolution from the default
    800x600 to 1024x768 and 1280x720 no difference.

    > Test a few other fonts and see if there is any difference?

    No they're all strange looking.

    I'll let you know if the card swap makes a difference.

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    > xdpyinfo should help you out as well. I normally set the dpi in
    > the xorg.conf as an option.


    Well I tried setting force all fonts to 96dpi...everything was HUGE,
    although seemed to look better.


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    > I thought about this as well and changed my resolution from the default
    > 800x600 to 1024x768 and 1280x720 no difference.


    Okay, apparently SAX did not save my settings when I switched to 1024x768
    the first time. Could've been user error also
    Fonts look mucho better at 1024x768. I also enabled subpixel hinting
    which further improved it. Apparently then the wretched font issue is
    related to scaling at lower resolutions as Malcolm suggested.

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    Tony Sperling NNTP User

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    That's great - I had an issue when I installed on my desktop with a 30" LCD,
    I then moved it to a standard 15.4" laptop and there was no trouble - I
    guess I will have to experiment since the HP LP3065 does it's own scaling as
    2560x1600 is the native resolution.


    Tony. . .



    "GofBorg" <GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote in message
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    > > I thought about this as well and changed my resolution from the default
    > > 800x600 to 1024x768 and 1280x720 no difference.

    >
    > Okay, apparently SAX did not save my settings when I switched to 1024x768
    > the first time. Could've been user error also
    > Fonts look mucho better at 1024x768. I also enabled subpixel hinting
    > which further improved it. Apparently then the wretched font issue is
    > related to scaling at lower resolutions as Malcolm suggested.




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    Default Re: Wretched fonts

    Moving thread to Applications

    Please stop posting everything in General.
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    > That's great - I had an issue when I installed on my desktop with a 30"
    > LCD, I then moved it to a standard 15.4" laptop and there was no trouble -
    > I guess I will have to experiment since the HP LP3065 does it's own
    > scaling as 2560x1600 is the native resolution.


    Well I have OpenSuSE 10.2 output to a 42" Viewsonic at work, but it is a
    desktop machine with a Radeon running at 1360x768.
    The fonts on that screen look great. You might want to find out what the
    native resolution is for that 30".



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