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    Unhappy Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUSE 11

    Hi all,

    I am grateful of the speed increase in using the new software management system under YaST2.

    The following are issues of the new "Software Management" module of YaST2 that I consider to be a backward step since upgrading from openSUSE 10.3
    (I am using the text only version of YaST from the CLI)

    1. I can no longer get a list of installed packages. In the previous version I could simple hit ALT-P to get the list (Filter list of options). But in openSUSE 11 this is no where to be seen.

    2. I can no longer easily bring up the search panel. In the previous version 10.3 I could simply hit ALT-S and the search box would appear. Now there are no shortcut keys making the experience more cumbersome.

    3. "Software management" now appears to automatically try to install extra packages without asking me. For example. I am running openSUSE 11 inside a virtual environment called VirtualBox v1.6.2, the system secretly add an extra package called "virtualbox-ose-guest-tools" to the list of packages to be installed to the system. If I wanted a system that tries to force what it thinks knows best on me, then I would be using MS Windows instead. The problem is that in the process of trying to be too smart, it would have installed the wrong version of the virtualbox package. So now I have to manually uncheck this package everytime I enter "Software Management", what a pain in the neck.

    Please bring back the previous interface of "Software management" as it was far quicker and easier to use.

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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    Quote Originally Posted by bigmudcake View Post
    Please bring back the previous interface of "Software management" as it was far quicker and easier to use.
    Heh...I don't see that happening. However, anything you would like to see added can be used in a feature request at Bugzilla.
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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    Thanks for that, I have posted a bugzilla report. I am really suprised. Usually each version is better than the last. I wonder how many people did useability testing on the text only interface of the YaST2 modules that changed.

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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    As that is a neglected interface for most users, probably a minimal amount.
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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    Quote Originally Posted by bigmudcake View Post
    Thanks for that, I have posted a bugzilla report. I am really suprised. Usually each version is better than the last. I wonder how many people did useability testing on the text only interface of the YaST2 modules that changed.
    I too use text-only suse on my torrent box. But I did not test out the text-only on 11 beta|RC* . I did, however, make good use of betas and RC on my laptop, because I know that each release it gets rather ********** up on my lappy. So I tested it hard. Perhaps, during the next beta versions, you get to really test out the text-only install. It would help us all out (including me!)

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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    Does anyone know who the maintainer of "Software management" module in YaST2 is ??? As I think especially the omission of the ability to see the installed list of packages is critical.

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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUSE 11

    bigmudcake wrote:

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    > Does anyone know who the maintainer of "Software management" module in
    > YaST2 is ??? As I think especially the omission of the ability to see
    > the installed list of packages is critical.
    >
    >


    Please try this:

    In the "Software Management" module:

    It typically comes up default to 'Search' for the filter mode. Please choose
    that dropdown, and select 'Installation Summary'

    At this point, probably nothing is showing in the big window to the right.

    Please select the 'Keep' checkbox, towards the bottom of the list in the left
    column.

    Is this close to what you desire?


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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUSE 11

    L R Nix wrote:

    > bigmudcake wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Does anyone know who the maintainer of "Software management" module in
    >> YaST2 is ??? As I think especially the omission of the ability to see
    >> the installed list of packages is critical.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Please try this:
    >
    > In the "Software Management" module:
    >
    > It typically comes up default to 'Search' for the filter mode. Please
    > choose that dropdown, and select 'Installation Summary'
    >
    > At this point, probably nothing is showing in the big window to the right.
    >
    > Please select the 'Keep' checkbox, towards the bottom of the list in the
    > left column.
    >
    > Is this close to what you desire?
    >
    >


    My apologies. I caught up on the thread... My reply above works well in the
    GUI mode module, but sadly fails miserably in text mode. Seems the 'keep'
    option isn't even displayed to select. Bummer.

    I dug around a bit, and you CAN obtain a list of installed software from the
    text mode module. Alas, it's in XML format.

    choose <E>xtras (ALT-E), then 'Export package list to file'
    provide a filename, and 'OK'.

    Not an optimum solution, I agree.

    Another option:

    rpm -qa

    will output the name and version of all of the currently installed packages.

    Actually more convenient than the GUI method.

    Hope this helps

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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    Quote Originally Posted by felipe1982 View Post
    Perhaps, during the next beta versions, you get to really test out the text-only install. It would help us all out (including me!)
    That's a good point. I often get so used to doing the same 'ol thing that I can definitely forget to poke around the hood more.
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    Default Re: Software management via YaST2 a backward step in openSUS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryovac View Post
    Heh...I don't see that happening. However, anything you would like to see added.....
    Like to see added ?????

    I would like to see those features put back, not added.

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