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    > ... or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become
    > all cold and corporate style?


    Well there's the opposite opinion as well...to others it may seem
    less 'professional'. However, as a forum I welcome any added technical
    knowledge. I judge a forum on its knowledge not its social breakdown. :-)



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    > only thing I don't like is I have to log in again and again

    Well you could use a newsreader instead. :-)

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    <posted & mailed>

    Robert Smits wrote:

    > badger fruit wrote:
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    >> ... or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become
    >> all cold and corporate style?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Yup.....it'sjust you....
    >

    Nope, there's at least two of us. Personalities have become subdued, it
    seems to me, and the social aspect is harder to keep up with, due to being
    overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. Looking at the answers to your
    post it seems there is more concern about the eyecandy than the content.
    MattB's absence is standing out already, but even his presence was diluted
    by the volume. I always enjoyed and learned from the technical excellence
    shown at both SLS and SF, but tended to only occasionally visit SF because
    it was too hard to keep up on both forums and there was enough duplication
    that I felt one was enough. (Actually two; OpenSUSE.us is also on my list.
    Where, BTW, traffic has *really* slowed down since the merger.) And SLS
    seemed to satisfy the social aspect more.

    So, sadly, between not being able to keep up on one hand, and having hardly
    any traffic happening on the other, *my* forum experience has degraded
    greatly. I'm thinking of giving it up altogether. Perhaps I'll actually get
    FreeBSD installed, move over there, and see what their forum's like.

    Sorry for the negative post, but I felt I needed to express it. I think the
    forums lost more by the merger than just the color of the header.



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    The one thing that I really don't care for is.
    Not everyone was able to retain their forum name.
    So you have people posting with different names.
    Which makes one wonder if everyone made it to the new forum.
    Because you think...gee I haven't seen him/her post.
    Are they with us or did they leave.

    Other than that I think the switch went pretty smooth.
    Inquiring minds want to know?

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    > it seems there is more concern about the eyecandy than the content.

    THAT is the truth!!

    in fact i'm seriously considering moving to a distro which is not intent
    on matching Redmond ***-for-tat on EVERY bit of eyecandy they are
    MARKETING..

    this forum should neither look like nor socialize like M$ fora...this
    should be a "grown up" place where folks are intent on solving problems
    and helping folks with real world needs..

    which smiley to pick and plop in a reply is NOT important!

    ymmv, DenverD
    perhaps someone should start an old fashioned mail-list (ascii only
    please) and limit it to SuSE folks that . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    in fact i'm seriously considering moving to a distro which is not intent
    on matching Redmond ***-for-tat on EVERY bit of eyecandy they are
    MARKETING..
    As you are of course entitled to your opinion and it's good to look back and reflect.. Though I do want to add that it's usually not helping things to express aggressively..

    Evey change shifts things, but the primary objective here is to help.
    The fact that people have to get comfortable and find their way in the new forum will mean that more suggestions and 'experimentation' will take place than normally. As with all new things, that phase will pass and people will focus more once again on the basics.

    As Linux gets more market you will be getting more users with different priorities and they will not all have the technical background you are used to. The new forum (along with the integration with opensuse.org) will help get these people on their way using the distro...

    Just give it some time & help other realize what its about ;)
    Have a lot of fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepybozo View Post
    Nope, there's at least two of us. Personalities have become subdued, it seems to me, and the social aspect is harder to keep up with, due to being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. .... Sorry for the negative post, but I felt I needed to express it. I think the forums lost more by the merger than just the color of the header.
    No worries, but my view is the forum is what we make it.

    If you wish to push the social side of the forum, then please do so.

    I try to participate in both the technical and social side, ... and if more users do so, then we have the making of a good community.

    Linux succeeds because of open source volunteers, and this is true not only for the OS, the applications, but also forums such as this. So as opposed to sitting back in one's armchair and commenting with only the occasional post, instead volunteer and push in a polite, friendly, fun, determined manner to help mold the forum in the direction you wish to see it go.

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    oldcpu wrote:

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    > sleepybozo;1827536 Wrote:
    >> Nope, there's at least two of us. Personalities have become subdued, it
    >> seems to me, and the social aspect is harder to keep up with, due to
    >> being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. .... Sorry for the
    >> negative post, but I felt I needed to express it. I think the forums
    >> lost more by the merger than just the color of the header.


    > No worries, but
    > my view is the forum is what we make it.
    >
    > If you wish to push the social side of the forum, then please do so.
    >
    > I try to participate in both the technical and social side, ... and if
    > more users do so, then we have the making of a good community.
    >
    > Linux succeeds because of open source volunteers, and this is true not
    > only for the OS, the applications, but also forums such as this. So as
    > opposed to sitting back in one's armchair and commenting with only the
    > occasional post, instead volunteer and push in a polite, friendly, fun,
    > determined manner to help mold the forum in the direction you wish to
    > see it go.
    >
    >


    oldcpu,

    I have always admired you for your store of knowledge, your tolerance of
    repeated noobie questions which you keep answering, and your enormous
    output of posts in spite of what appears to be a busy personal life. I
    admire the amount of hard work you and many others have put into the
    merging of the forums, and your dedication to promoting OpenSuse and the
    OpenSuse community.

    Part of that admiration probably stems from knowing there is no way I could
    ever possibly achieve the same. I have a neurological problem that makes
    typing a slow and exhausting process, as well as affecting memory so that
    the mental work of composing a post or letter is also a frustrating
    experience. (Not asking for sympathy, just explaining.) In the old forum I
    had about 800 posts in just over a year, about 2 per day. That's about my
    limit if I expect to get anything else done. Many of those posts represent
    litterally hours of research to try and solve someone else's problem. I see
    you have over 800 posts just in this new forum. I don't know how you do it.

    Part of the lowered average "posts per day" here have been because by the
    time I could find an answer for someone and get it typed in, someone else
    would have already stepped in an provided a solution. I don't see any point
    in repetition just to boost my post count.

    I think I was misunderstood in my post (probably due to my poor expression).
    I was expressing *my* opinion of *my* experience here, not passing
    judgment. I feel as if the Possum Blight General Store were torn down and
    replaced by a Wal-Mart. There's more selection, the prices are lower, many
    more people are employed; it's argued that the community at large is much
    better off. But all that doesn't mean the change was better for every
    individual.

    I've been told in two posts that I'm part of an "insignificant minority"
    that's holding back progress for everyone else, and now I'm told that my
    dissatisfaction is because I'm lazy, impolite and unfriendly.

    I really hope that this merged forum accomplishes it's goals and provides a
    valuable resource for the Suse and Linux community in general. As for me, I
    don't feel like there's really a place for me here. Maybe I'll see some of
    you in the New Possum Blight General Store.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepybozo View Post
    ... and your enormous output of posts ...
    over time, I think you will find this was only a brief spurt, to:
    a. help the new forum merge, and
    b. help the release of openSUSE-11.0
    I have many projects I put on the back burner for this, and I plan to take them up again soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepybozo View Post
    I've been told in two posts that I'm part of an "insignificant minority" that's holding back progress for everyone else, and now I'm told that my dissatisfaction is because I'm lazy, impolite and unfriendly.
    The board is acting up today, forcing me to login practically every time I search for a post, or read an exisiting post. But I confess I surfed best I could, given these forum hiccups, and I could find no mention of the word "insignificant", "lazy", "impolite", nor "unfriendly" in this thread.

    Are we reading the same thread?

    Contribution to the community comes in many forms. It can come in a balanced critique, stating the good and bad, together with an effort to fix the bad. A couple of posts per days is still quite a bit per year, and can have its own influence.

    Change is difficult. And the older one gets, the harder it is. Mentally I had a major sigh a year and a-half ago, when I first contemplated what could be involved in a merge, and what hurdles could be met along the way.

    Without doubt the character of this new merged forum is different. But from my view this forum has a character that is still in flux. This forum is still VERY new. And while in flux, it will be easier to mold that character now, rather than later, ... although even later is IMHO never too late.

    Still now is a good time for efforts to be made to implement the character we want. In my view contributions now (toward the character) will have a bigger impact than contributions later.

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepybozo View Post
    As for me, I don't feel like there's really a place for me here. Maybe I'll see some of you in the New Possum Blight General Store.
    Best wishes in finding the area where you like to fit it, and where you feel comfortable.

    I think this forum is big enough, and flexible enough, to fit most everyone. Some effort will be needed to mold it in a suitable way, and I hope to keep striving in that direction. I definitely could use the support of users like yourself.

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    oldcpu wrote:
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    > Without doubt the character of this new merged forum is different. But
    > from my view this forum has a character that is still in flux. This
    > forum is still VERY new. And while in flux, it will be easier to mold
    > that character now, rather than later, ... although even later is IMHO
    > never too late.
    >


    Just to add my opinion here, I don't think the forum has a certain
    character yet either. With 3 distinctly different forum cultures
    merging, and a new release right after the merge of the forum, it seems
    like most posts right now are on the technical side until the new
    release questions calm down. Once that happens, I think everyone will
    see the 3 different cultures starting to meld together into one cohesive
    unit, it just might take a bit.

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