… or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become all cold and corporate style?
well i for one like the new forums. I like the clean stylish look and especially the speed. They remind me of the Arch forums also slick clean professional and Fast whereas the fedoraforums are a trifle slow for me. I would not want it any other way, besides I think it suits the targeted audience for suse linux.
stefan
I actually liked
more than
cause of the green theme and cause they were more active but now the theme is alright in my opinion, but lets not forget the people r the same 
only thing I don’t like is I have to log in again and again
- badger fruit wrote, On 06/27/2008 01:06 PM:
> … or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become
> all cold and corporate style?
Designwise, or regarding the social environment?
Uwe
I find that it’s more restrained than SLS (IMHO a pity). Is that what you mean?
Corporate style? Have you seen G0NZ0’s avatar?
If this is corporate, WHERE DO I SIGN?? :D:D
hehehe… And the other day you where ‘complaining’ about your poor old eyes… Sorry oldcpu, you’ve lost some credibility now (not really, actually I respect you more for bringing this important fact to our attention) 
Well, bigger things are not always better but I must say I’m quite happy with the change and my only concern is that it’s harder to keep up with all the posts… Overall the response seems much better though.
As you get to know one an other a bit more, I think the personality will be more evident.
Time for a house warming party?! 
Well, eyesight may be poor :eek:, but fortunately NOT blind when it comes to noting the occasional avatar :D…
badger fruit wrote:
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> … or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become
> all cold and corporate style?
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Yup…it’sjust you…
–
bob@rsmits.ca (Robert Smits, Ladysmith BC)
“I’m not one of those who think Bill Gates is the devil. I simply suspect
that if Microsoft ever met up with the devil, it wouldn’t need an
interpreter.” - Nicholas Petreley
Lack of MattB imho.
> … or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become
> all cold and corporate style?
Well there’s the opposite opinion as well…to others it may seem
less ‘professional’. However, as a forum I welcome any added technical
knowledge. I judge a forum on its knowledge not its social breakdown. 
> only thing I don’t like is I have to log in again and again
Well you could use a newsreader instead.
<posted & mailed>
Robert Smits wrote:
> badger fruit wrote:
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>> … or do these forums seem to have lost their personality and become
>> all cold and corporate style?
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> Yup…it’sjust you…
>
Nope, there’s at least two of us. Personalities have become subdued, it
seems to me, and the social aspect is harder to keep up with, due to being
overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. Looking at the answers to your
post it seems there is more concern about the eyecandy than the content.
MattB’s absence is standing out already, but even his presence was diluted
by the volume. I always enjoyed and learned from the technical excellence
shown at both SLS and SF, but tended to only occasionally visit SF because
it was too hard to keep up on both forums and there was enough duplication
that I felt one was enough. (Actually two; OpenSUSE.us is also on my list.
Where, BTW, traffic has really slowed down since the merger.) And SLS
seemed to satisfy the social aspect more.
So, sadly, between not being able to keep up on one hand, and having hardly
any traffic happening on the other, my forum experience has degraded
greatly. I’m thinking of giving it up altogether. Perhaps I’ll actually get
FreeBSD installed, move over there, and see what their forum’s like.
Sorry for the negative post, but I felt I needed to express it. I think the
forums lost more by the merger than just the color of the header.
The one thing that I really don’t care for is.
Not everyone was able to retain their forum name.
So you have people posting with different names.
Which makes one wonder if everyone made it to the new forum.
Because you think…gee I haven’t seen him/her post.
Are they with us or did they leave.
Other than that I think the switch went pretty smooth.
> it seems there is more concern about the eyecandy than the content.
THAT is the truth!!
in fact i’m seriously considering moving to a distro which is not intent
on matching Redmond tit-for-tat on EVERY bit of eyecandy they are
MARKETING…
this forum should neither look like nor socialize like M$ fora…this
should be a “grown up” place where folks are intent on solving problems
and helping folks with real world needs…
which smiley to pick and plop in a reply is NOT important!
ymmv, DenverD
perhaps someone should start an old fashioned mail-list (ascii only
please) and limit it to SuSE folks that . . . .
As you are of course entitled to your opinion and it’s good to look back and reflect… Though I do want to add that it’s usually not helping things to express aggressively…
Evey change shifts things, but the primary objective here is to help.
The fact that people have to get comfortable and find their way in the new forum will mean that more suggestions and ‘experimentation’ will take place than normally. As with all new things, that phase will pass and people will focus more once again on the basics.
As Linux gets more market you will be getting more users with different priorities and they will not all have the technical background you are used to. The new forum (along with the integration with opensuse.org) will help get these people on their way using the distro…
Just give it some time & help other realize what its about
No worries, but my view is the forum is what we make it.
If you wish to push the social side of the forum, then please do so.
I try to participate in both the technical and social side, … and if more users do so, then we have the making of a good community.
Linux succeeds because of open source volunteers, and this is true not only for the OS, the applications, but also forums such as this. So as opposed to sitting back in one’s armchair and commenting with only the occasional post, instead volunteer and push in a polite, friendly, fun, determined manner to help mold the forum in the direction you wish to see it go.
oldcpu wrote:
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> sleepybozo;1827536 Wrote:
>> Nope, there’s at least two of us. Personalities have become subdued, it
>> seems to me, and the social aspect is harder to keep up with, due to
>> being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. … Sorry for the
>> negative post, but I felt I needed to express it. I think the forums
>> lost more by the merger than just the color of the header.
> No worries, but
> my view is the forum is what we make it.
>
> If you wish to push the social side of the forum, then please do so.
>
> I try to participate in both the technical and social side, … and if
> more users do so, then we have the making of a good community.
>
> Linux succeeds because of open source volunteers, and this is true not
> only for the OS, the applications, but also forums such as this. So as
> opposed to sitting back in one’s armchair and commenting with only the
> occasional post, instead volunteer and push in a polite, friendly, fun,
> determined manner to help mold the forum in the direction you wish to
> see it go.
>
>
oldcpu,
I have always admired you for your store of knowledge, your tolerance of
repeated noobie questions which you keep answering, and your enormous
output of posts in spite of what appears to be a busy personal life. I
admire the amount of hard work you and many others have put into the
merging of the forums, and your dedication to promoting OpenSuse and the
OpenSuse community.
Part of that admiration probably stems from knowing there is no way I could
ever possibly achieve the same. I have a neurological problem that makes
typing a slow and exhausting process, as well as affecting memory so that
the mental work of composing a post or letter is also a frustrating
experience. (Not asking for sympathy, just explaining.) In the old forum I
had about 800 posts in just over a year, about 2 per day. That’s about my
limit if I expect to get anything else done. Many of those posts represent
litterally hours of research to try and solve someone else’s problem. I see
you have over 800 posts just in this new forum. I don’t know how you do it.
Part of the lowered average “posts per day” here have been because by the
time I could find an answer for someone and get it typed in, someone else
would have already stepped in an provided a solution. I don’t see any point
in repetition just to boost my post count.
I think I was misunderstood in my post (probably due to my poor expression).
I was expressing my opinion of my experience here, not passing
judgment. I feel as if the Possum Blight General Store were torn down and
replaced by a Wal-Mart. There’s more selection, the prices are lower, many
more people are employed; it’s argued that the community at large is much
better off. But all that doesn’t mean the change was better for every
individual.
I’ve been told in two posts that I’m part of an “insignificant minority”
that’s holding back progress for everyone else, and now I’m told that my
dissatisfaction is because I’m lazy, impolite and unfriendly.
I really hope that this merged forum accomplishes it’s goals and provides a
valuable resource for the Suse and Linux community in general. As for me, I
don’t feel like there’s really a place for me here. Maybe I’ll see some of
you in the New Possum Blight General Store.
over time, I think you will find this was only a brief spurt, to:
a. help the new forum merge, and
b. help the release of openSUSE-11.0
I have many projects I put on the back burner for this, and I plan to take them up again soon.
The board is acting up today, forcing me to login practically every time I search for a post, or read an exisiting post. But I confess I surfed best I could, given these forum hiccups, and I could find no mention of the word “insignificant”, “lazy”, “impolite”, nor “unfriendly” in this thread.
Are we reading the same thread?
Contribution to the community comes in many forms. It can come in a balanced critique, stating the good and bad, together with an effort to fix the bad. A couple of posts per days is still quite a bit per year, and can have its own influence.
Change is difficult. And the older one gets, the harder it is. Mentally I had a major sigh a year and a-half ago, when I first contemplated what could be involved in a merge, and what hurdles could be met along the way.
Without doubt the character of this new merged forum is different. But from my view this forum has a character that is still in flux. This forum is still VERY new. And while in flux, it will be easier to mold that character now, rather than later, … although even later is IMHO never too late.
Still now is a good time for efforts to be made to implement the character we want. In my view contributions now (toward the character) will have a bigger impact than contributions later.
Best wishes in finding the area where you like to fit it, and where you feel comfortable.
I think this forum is big enough, and flexible enough, to fit most everyone. Some effort will be needed to mold it in a suitable way, and I hope to keep striving in that direction. I definitely could use the support of users like yourself.
oldcpu wrote:
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> Without doubt the character of this new merged forum is different. But
> from my view this forum has a character that is still in flux. This
> forum is still VERY new. And while in flux, it will be easier to mold
> that character now, rather than later, … although even later is IMHO
> never too late.
>
Just to add my opinion here, I don’t think the forum has a certain
character yet either. With 3 distinctly different forum cultures
merging, and a new release right after the merge of the forum, it seems
like most posts right now are on the technical side until the new
release questions calm down. Once that happens, I think everyone will
see the 3 different cultures starting to meld together into one cohesive
unit, it just might take a bit.