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    Default Part 4 of 8 - General2 (SLS Wiki Migration)

    This is the fourth of a series of eight separate posts, with a list of the SLS "How-To" wiki's, that we have tentatively reviewed (internally) and hope the new merged forum members/mods, ... etc ... selectively move to the openSUSE wiki. (Note this list was initially posted internal to SLS).

    This list was initially refered to from here:
    WIKI MIGRATION - VOLUNTEERS NEEDED !! - openSUSE Forums

    The original SLS wiki's are here:
    SuSELinuxSupport: HowTos

    Some of these HOW-TO's are quite old and not so useful (or are obsolete). Others are old and still very current, and some are relatively new and up to date.

    I hope sometime after the merge, to post these lists (or an agreed edit subset of these lists) to the general forum membership, and get their views/help in the migration of the SLS wiki's. Of course this is simply my view, and discussion and comments on this is most welcome.

    So below is the 4th of the 8 posts.


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    HOWTOs - GENERAL (2nd section)


    * HowTo: Add FTP-Sources to SuSE 9.3
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...SourcestoSuSE93
    Applicable to: written for SuSE-9.3
    Proposed recommendation: Do not convert. There are more current repository lists available.
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: DigitalIntervention, random people on these forums, Kodiak Firesmith, Uberlinux@gmail.com

    * HowTo: Configure Suse Repositories
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...useRepositories
    Applicable: SuSE/openSUSE-10.x
    Proposed recommendation - Do Not convert all, good content, but its all "over the map" ... information needs focus.
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: cesar_spain

    * Howto: Use Keyboard Shortcuts
    SuSELinuxSupport: HowToKey
    Applicable: all openSUSE versions
    Proposed recommendation: Convert if can not find openSUSE wiki
    Proposed URL: Keyboard shortcuts - openSUSE
    Credits: unknown

    * Howto: Edit and Understand /etc/fstab
    SuSELinuxSupport: HowToFstab
    Applicable: all openSUSE wikis
    Proposed recommendation: Convert to openSUSE wiki (I can't believe there is not one already, but I could not fine one).
    Proposed URL: Fstab - openSUSE
    Credits: G0NZ0


    * HowTo: Converting Dual-Layer DVD install into a Single-Layer DVD
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...LayerDVDinstall
    Applicable: all SuSE versions ..
    Proposed recommendation: Do not convert. Superseded by tools such as k9copy.
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: Vir@s

    * HowTo: Change Hostname
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...oChangeHostname
    Applicable: all SuSE versions (I think)
    Proposed recommendation: Do not convert. Too small!!
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: G0NZ0
    updated - maybe should move to FAQ

    * HowTo: YaST
    SuSELinuxSupport: Contents
    Applicable: all SuSE versions, but requires updating
    Proposed recommendation: Do NOT convert. Superceded by YaST - openSUSE
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: Unknown

    * HowTo: Open a Shell
    SuSELinuxSupport: How to open a shell
    Applicable: All SuSE/openSUSE versions
    Proposed Solution: convert to openSUSE wiki as beginners guide. And reference such wiki's as: Terminal - openSUSE and Bash - openSUSE
    Proposed URL: Open a shell - openSUSE
    Credits: unknown

    * HowTo: Set Disk Access Permissions for Users on a Desktop PC (VFAT & Linux Native)
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...cessPermissions
    Applicable: SuSE-9.x/10.0 and openSUSE-10.1/10.2
    Proposed solution: Update and Convert to openSUSE wiki (need to reflect libata).
    Proposed URL: Disk access permissions - openSUSE
    Credits: Storm & Swerdna's web site

    * HowTo: Mount your NTFS Partition for Read/Write Access in openSUSE 10.2
    SuSELinuxSupport: HowToNTFS
    Applicable: SuSE-10.x
    Proposed solution: Do not convert to openSUSE wiki, but rather update existing openSUSE wiki. Swerdna to review this recommendation please
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: Swerdna

    * HowTo: Install VMware Server in a Suse 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 Host
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...allVMwareServer
    Applicable: SuSE-10.0
    Proposed solution: Do not covnvert to openSUSE wiki. There are existing guides.
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: E@zyVG, linux.wordpress.com, VMware Server technical pages, Joe Harmon (at Novell CoolSolutions), Swerdna's WebSite∞

    * How To: enable core files to trace segmentation faults errors
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikka.php?...EnableCoreFiles
    Applicable: all SuSE versions
    Proposed solution: convert to new openSUSE wiki. Closest existing wiki I could find was this old wiki SDBebugging with Glibc - openSUSE
    Proposed URL: Segmentation fault errors - openSUSE
    Credits: G0NZ0 (and prof Duan of Florida State University)

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    Default Re: Part 4 of 8 - General2 (SLS Wiki Migration)

    Hi oldcpu. I'd be happy to assist with these:

    Part 4 of 8:
    * HowTo: Set Disk Access Permissions for Users on a Desktop PC (VFAT & Linux Native)
    http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/wikk...essPermissions
    Applicable: SuSE-9.x/10.0 and openSUSE-10.1/10.2
    Proposed solution: Update and Convert to openSUSE wiki (need to reflect libata).
    Proposed URL: Disk access permissions - openSUSE
    Credits: Storm & Swerdna's web site
    Recommendation looks sound to me.

    * HowTo: Mount your NTFS Partition for Read/Write Access in openSUSE 10.2
    SuSELinuxSupport: HowToNTFS
    Applicable: SuSE-10.x
    Proposed solution: Do not convert to openSUSE wiki, but rather update existing openSUSE wiki. Swerdna to review this recommendation please
    Proposed URL: n/a
    Credits: Swerdna
    This one: SDB:Write Access To NTFS Partitions - openSUSE should be deleted (is that possible) or if not possible should have a php redirect to this one: NTFS - openSUSE. And the SLS wiki item in the quotes above should be merged with the latter i.e. NTFS - openSUSE.
    Actually what does one do about all of these:
    ntfs site:en.opensuse.org - Google Search ??
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    Default Re: Part 4 of 8 - General2 (SLS Wiki Migration)

    SDB:Write Access To NTFS Partitions - openSUSE
    is marked as valid for SUSE 9.1.

    The SDB articles are a bit specific, they are not meant to be deleted as they have information for what version they are valid, although it is for newer articles, written after SDB was imported to wiki, arbitrary and I would not be surprised to see version defined as 10.0 and newer, which is not good, as author actually knows only the first and last version it worked.

    I guess that we need some template like Obsolete that will offer current version, or Changed_Procedure with reference to current article for any article, even for those that talk about unsupported versions.

    Actually what does one do about all of these:
    ntfs site:en.opensuse.org - Google Search ??
    Consolidate them. The openSUSE wiki is still understuffed considering people that will do organization of articles. For instance NTFS - openSUSE could be disambiguation page, or index for all articles related to NTFS. If one uses 'ntfs' as search term it will bring up that page and then user can choose particular topic.

    Rajko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajko_m View Post
    SDB:Write Access To NTFS Partitions - openSUSE
    is marked as valid for SUSE 9.1.

    The SDB articles are a bit specific, they are not meant to be deleted as they have information for what version they are valid, although it is for newer articles, written after SDB was imported to wiki, arbitrary and I would not be surprised to see version defined as 10.0 and newer, which is not good, as author actually knows only the first and last version it worked.

    I guess that we need some template like Obsolete that will offer current version, or Changed_Procedure with reference to current article for any article, even for those that talk about unsupported versions.


    Consolidate them. The openSUSE wiki is still understuffed considering people that will do organization of articles. For instance NTFS - openSUSE could be disambiguation page, or index for all articles related to NTFS. If one uses 'ntfs' as search term it will bring up that page and then user can choose particular topic.

    Rajko.
    So is there a mechanism or preferred pathway for me to transfer/amalgamate stuff into the dot org wiki? I've got an interest in a significant number of articles from the SLS wiki that could benefit the dot org wiki and would like to nkow if/how I can proceed without too much blundering. I did look around overthere and found it, hmmm... bewildering in its randomness. So glad of advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swerdna View Post
    So is there a mechanism or preferred pathway for me to transfer/amalgamate stuff into the dot org wiki? I've got an interest in a significant number of articles from the SLS wiki that could benefit the dot org wiki and would like to nkow if/how I can proceed without too much blundering. I did look around overthere and found it, hmmm... bewildering in its randomness. So glad of advice.
    Swerna, thats a good question. I have wondered myself about that.

    In the meantime, I have setup a tracking matrix, for keeping note of who has volunteered to do what HOW-TO migration to a WIKI.
    SLS-how-to migration to openSUSE wiki - progress tracking - openSUSE

    Please, could you fill in the areas that you would like to look after. .... I sort of figure you may wish to be the main co-ordinating volunteer for every HOW-TO / WIKI that corresponds to a guide on your web site (but you don't have to - this is up to you).

    Many thanks for your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swerdna View Post
    So is there a mechanism or preferred pathway for me to transfer/amalgamate stuff into the dot org wiki? I've got an interest in a significant number of articles from the SLS wiki that could benefit the dot org wiki and would like to know if/how I can proceed without too much blundering. I did look around overthere and found it, hmmm... bewildering in its randomness. So glad of advice.
    I'm looking right now the SuSELinuxSupport: Welcome to SuSELinuxSupport

    The problem and the good is that everyone logged in openSUSE wiki has right to write, so randomness in style and topic naming is byproduct, that sometimes makes finding stuff harder, and sometimes not. You can find articles with same topic written 2 times under sinonyms, for instance wifi and wireless. It is result of different terminology that is common in different parts of the world.

    The rules how to write articles are right now very basic and not really up to date, but its currently the only one we have OpenSUSE Style Guide - openSUSE
    I wanted to write one with more details based on Wikipedia rules, but gave up as everybody was happy when there was contribution, and more rules will not encourage new authors.

    The basic rule I use if I want to consolidate few articles is to look for existing articles and merge them.
    For HOWTO please read, and add if you find something is missing: Help:Writing HOWTO - openSUSE

    The NTFS is already commented. The topic needs restructuring and everybody would benefit from that. When restructuring topic I look how easy is to find articles from openSUSE search perspective. If I type 'ntfs' it should give me relevant article or index of articles that talk about topic. All other considerations, like enabling browsing trough manually created indexes or semiautomatic categories is extra work that didn't gave good results by now.

    The other article about setting permissions seems new to me, so just move it over, and list under HOWTOs - openSUSE .

    Regards, Rajko

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    Not to be rude but if you had a TOC like this that was VERY clear from the first page User:Last2kn0 - openSUSE.

    Rather than this Welcome to openSUSE.org - openSUSE would make keeping the structure a lot easier to maintain and people would more than likely contribute in the correct place.

    Someone has left a comment in the main talk page it it is very true, Frontpage redesign - openSUSE
    Take somebody you know and never has been to openSUSE.org before. Tell him to find help/support on that site. Stop the time until the user finds the links to help/support. My guess: it takes ages to even get to the page where one could find it because the frontpage does not even mention support/help and wiki is not a synonym for those words.
    Take the same person and stop the time until he finds help/support on Ubuntu Home Page | Ubuntu.
    Compare both sites' performance.
    Tell that person that one has to click on wiki, stop the time until the person finds help/support on the following page. My guess: it takes ages because help is only mentioned once and as a tiny, tiny link and that link does not even link to helo/support but to download-help.
    Sorry to be that sarcastic, but one could think that opensuse.org maintainers do not expect a lot of users to come to this site looking for help.
    My suggestion, put a big fat icon on the frontpage and the following that displays a question-mark and a link below it that states: help/support
    Man first, have a try at Info, have a look at Wiki, if all that fails Scroogle!!!!!
    If I've helped click on the Rep button I don't know what it does but it sounds cool.

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    The sadder thing is nearly 18mths ago this was also bought to light. [opensuse-wiki] Re:Wiki cleanup
    Your response create a portal that doesn't clean up or restructure the wiki that is just a band aid.

    As for SDB's they're creating even more confusion in an already confused wiki. If a SDB isn't good enough to be a howto why is it there then? No page should be version specific the wiki has version banners and supporting entries for 9.1 is absurd.

    I wonder how many of those pages I highlighted still exist or have been merged.
    Man first, have a try at Info, have a look at Wiki, if all that fails Scroogle!!!!!
    If I've helped click on the Rep button I don't know what it does but it sounds cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajko_m View Post
    The rules how to write articles are right now very basic and not really up to date, but its currently the only one we have OpenSUSE Style Guide - openSUSE
    I wanted to write one with more details based on Wikipedia rules, but gave up as everybody was happy when there was contribution, and more rules will not encourage new authors.
    From my perspective, once an author has provided the technical content, some one else can easily go in and tune the format to be consistent.

    Typically IMHO best to wait a bit, then very very politely ask the author if they would not mind if some one else modified the presentation of their wiki a bit, with a format change (that did not touch the technical).

    Its a good idea, I think, to strive for a common format. It may take some time and effort, if it is to be done in a way that does not scare off the contributers, but I think it is worth the extra effort to go about it in a polite manner, but in a determined non-offensive manner (ie very carefully walk the narrow path).

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    Wiki editors need to be BOLD and not care for small feelings. If people can't take being edited or criticism they shouldn't be wiki editors as for asking the original author please...

    Wikipedia would of died in the first year.

    Wikipedia:Be bold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Man first, have a try at Info, have a look at Wiki, if all that fails Scroogle!!!!!
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