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Ham_Radio
07-Mar-2013, 19:36
Hey guys,

I was wondering if there was an update about Novell's partnership with Microsoft. Is there still one? Do you think that affects the marketing value of openSUSE and cause people to look somewhere else? Should Novell's and Microsoft's partnership affect anyone looking for a Free (As in freedom, since distro's like Ubuntu ship with non-free software) Linux OS? I heard once that you never should use a distro that is backed by a large company because they might impact what happens with the distro. (Like what is currently happening with Ubuntu)

What are your thoughts?

nrickert
07-Mar-2013, 20:00
Novell was absorbed into Attachmate, so I'm not sure what is left of the agreement.

In my opinion, the agreement has no importance to open source, and has been blown way out of proportion by a few ideologs. Novell could not compromise the GPL, no matter what it did. For it did not control the GPL.

Opensuse picked up some unwarranted criticism over that. I doubt that it has had much effect on the number of people who adopt opensuse.

But that's just my opinion.

hendersj
07-Mar-2013, 22:11
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:46:02 +0000, Ham Radio wrote:

> I was wondering if there was an update about Novell's partnership with
> Microsoft. Is there still one?

The agreement between SUSE and Microsoft is still in place, IIRC there
was a press release saying it had been renewed.

SUSE is now separate from Novell, both operate as peer companies under
The Attachmate Group.

Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

vazhavandan
07-Mar-2013, 22:20
I heard once that you never should use a distro that is backed by a large company because they might impact what happens with the distro. (Like what is currently happening with Ubuntu)
“openSUSE is the distro of the community, by the community, for the community” or "openSUSE is Linux for open Minds"

hendersj
07-Mar-2013, 23:09
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 05:11:18 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:46:02 +0000, Ham Radio wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if there was an update about Novell's partnership with
>> Microsoft. Is there still one?
>
> The agreement between SUSE and Microsoft is still in place, IIRC there
> was a press release saying it had been renewed.
>
> SUSE is now separate from Novell, both operate as peer companies under
> The Attachmate Group.

Also, openSUSE is the upstream project for SUSE Linux Enterprise. SUSE
is a major sponsor of openSUSE, but holding the agreement against the
openSUSE project is similar holding something Mint (or Ubuntu) does
against Debian (Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu, which is a derivative of
Debian).

Jim
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openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

dd
08-Mar-2013, 06:31
> What are your thoughts?

beating a dead horse is an unproductive adventure.

otoh: if because of their sponsors you do not like Ubuntu or openSUSE
there are many others to choose from..

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dd

robin_listas
08-Mar-2013, 06:58
On 2013-03-08 03:46, Ham Radio wrote:
> Should
> Novell's and Microsoft's partnership affect anyone looking for a Free
> (As in freedom, since distro's like Ubuntu ship with non-free software)
> Linux OS?

openSUSE can not ship multimedia software encumbered by patents or
copyrights, regardless of the existence of that agreement - if that is
what you are thinking about re free software.

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PiElle
08-Mar-2013, 15:37
“openSUSE is the distro of the community, by the community, for the community” or "openSUSE is Linux for open Minds"

I agree with these very fine words! rotfl!

stakanov
08-Mar-2013, 17:26
There was probably an original "hidden agenda" with the agreement but after having been forced to maintain the patents (afaik) that novell held as GPL, there is not much sense to discuss this. Besides, Microsoft makes a huge money with distributing and servicing Linux. So a working distribution that is in a certain way "beta-testing" for their consumers will come handy. For sure the difficult situation of the desktop KDE (from 4.0 to 4.5 at least) will have made loose more users to openSUSE I guess, than the agreement did ever.
What may be true is that some features may be "delayed" or not implemented to avoid cannibalism on the commercial version. Still, the main part of income source is service, not so much the software. This is where free software comes not any more as "for free" and becomes a lucrative business.

At the end of the day, if you want to worry about something, you should worry about the absurdity of the situation with UEFI (restricted boot vs. secure boot (https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot)).
And yes, it is again about MS.

vazhavandan
09-Mar-2013, 00:29
I agree with these very fine words! rotfl!
Glad you liked it.

vazhavandan
09-Mar-2013, 00:29
I think this article i found in planet openSUSE will clear things up Ubuntu: Reflections from a Geeko | /sys/rich (http://www.sysrich.co.uk/?p=150)

Ham_Radio
09-Mar-2013, 09:53
“openSUSE is the distro of the community, by the community, for the community” or "openSUSE is Linux for open Minds"

That's a good line. I like it :)


There was probably an original "hidden agenda" with the agreement but after having been forced to maintain the patents (afaik) that novell held as GPL, there is not much sense to discuss this. Besides, Microsoft makes a huge money with distributing and servicing Linux. So a working distribution that is in a certain way "beta-testing" for their consumers will come handy. For sure the difficult situation of the desktop KDE (from 4.0 to 4.5 at least) will have made loose more users to openSUSE I guess, than the agreement did ever.
What may be true is that some features may be "delayed" or not implemented to avoid cannibalism on the commercial version. Still, the main part of income source is service, not so much the software. This is where free software comes not any more as "for free" and becomes a lucrative business.

At the end of the day, if you want to worry about something, you should worry about the absurdity of the situation with UEFI (restricted boot vs. secure boot (https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot)).
And yes, it is again about MS.

Great points. I would also agree that UEFI is more to worry about. I have heard lots of people having problems because of it. Makes me angry.


I think this article i found in planet openSUSE will clear things up Ubuntu: Reflections from a Geeko | /sys/rich (http://www.sysrich.co.uk/?p=150)

Ah yes, I have read that article. It's a great article.


Thanks for the replies guys. I pretty much feel the same way you all do, I just thought I would get your opinions. Thanks :)

vazhavandan
09-Mar-2013, 10:22
Also, i feel this thread should be in chitchat https://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/community-fun/general-chit-chat/ or soapbox https://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/community-fun/soapbox/

hendersj
09-Mar-2013, 12:34
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 00:36:05 +0000, stakanov wrote:

> There was probably an original "hidden agenda" with the agreement but
> after having been forced to maintain the patents (afaik) that novell
> held as GPL, there is not much sense to discuss this

The agenda wasn't hidden at all. It was a broad collaboration agreement,
and Microsoft wanted to include some patent-related language, and Novell
agreed to. Novell never admitted that they felt anything in Linux
infringed (a statement the Novell CEO at the time made at the
announcement; a statement that Steve Ballmer explicitly reiterated in his
remarks during that same annnouncement - that Novell does not believe
Linux infringes Microsoft's IP in any way.)

The collaboration agreement was the main thing; the patent cross-
licensing/protection agreement was really a minor thing. Novell agreed
to it because some of Novell's customers were afraid of suits like the SCO
end-user lawsuits (like the Autozone suit) and wanted to make sure that
they weren't going to be sued by Microsoft for using SUSE in the unlikely
event that Microsoft decided to start suing their own customers for using
Linux.

Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

vazhavandan
13-Mar-2013, 09:03
anyone looking for a Free (As in freedom, since distro's like Ubuntu ship with non-free software) Linux OS? I heard once that you never should use a distro that is backed by a large company because they might impact what happens with the distro. (Like what is currently happening with Ubuntu)
Notes about Ubuntu :- Shuttleworth Throws the FLOSS Community Under The Bus at Robert Pogson (http://mrpogson.com/2013/03/07/shuttleworth-throws-the-floss-community-under-the-bus/)