2009 Linux Graphics Survey

[microchip8]

For the past two years we have hosted an annual Linux Graphics Survey in which we ask well over 20,000 users each time their video card preferences, driver information, and other questions about their view of the Linux graphics stack. This year we are hosting the survey once again to allow the development community to get a better understanding of the video hardware in use, what open-source and closed-source drivers are being used, and other relevant information that will help them and the Linux community.

[Phoronix] 2009 Linux Graphics Survey

[TKS1125]

My opinion is ATI needs to work more with the open source community more than they have, the ATI drivers are very unstable in a lot of systems (laptops ) and are behind in tech terms. if they would work with open source more they would sell a lot more.
NVIDIA has come a long way and i rarely have problems with configuring the NVIDIA line of cards. the support they offer is a lot better than the others. i prefer NVIDIA over ATI and have better results.

[growbag]

It might be a good idea for as many people as possible to fill in the survey, not for the betterment of Phoronix, but to (maybe) help send a message to any listening video hardware manufacturers that they have an audience for their wares in Linuxland.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil!

[TheMask]

Originally Posted by growbag

It might be a good idea for as many people as possible to fill in the survey, not for the betterment of Phoronix, but to (maybe) help send a message to any listening video hardware manufacturers that they have an audience for their wares in Linuxland.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil!

Participatet.

[Christophe_deR]

ATI/AMD/fglrx driver performance and stability is so poor that i will not buy any gpu of this brand until the support improves. I suggest that any linux/unix user avoids buying such products.

[Akoellh]

Originally Posted by TKS1125

My opinion is ATI needs to work more with the open source community more than they have, the ATI drivers are very unstable in a lot of systems (laptops ) and are behind in tech terms. if they would work with open source more they would sell a lot more.

You seem to forget, that ATI/AMD is actually the only "big Player" who does cooperate with the OSS community.

Originally Posted by TKS1125

NVIDIA has come a long way

but the way did not include cooperating with the OSS community except for their 2D-only "nv"-driver.

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by Akoellh

You seem to forget, that ATI/AMD is actually the only "big Player" who does cooperate with the OSS community.

but the way did not include cooperating with the OSS community except for their 2D-only "nv"-driver.

And you seem to forget that if users are offered a ******* OSS driver or cooperation on one hand and a closed driver blob which beats the **** out of the first one, including during the install process and performance, the majority will pick the latter, not the former, unless the majority are OSS fanatics which they aren't or enjoy pulling their hair off

Also, NV offers in addition to very good driver for Linux, VDPAU which is far ahead and much better supported in various applications than what ATI has to offer at present. I will sacrifice a bit of open source anytime if the blob not only gives me much better quality but also does not cause often huge problems, both on the configuration/install side and on performance/compatibility side.

When ATI comes on par with the NV drivers, then I will consider again. No one is saying NV is perfect on all fronts, but it's clearly superior in many at present time

[Akoellh]

Originally Posted by microchip8

And you seem to forget that if users are offered a ******* OSS driver or cooperation on one hand and a closed driver blob which beats the **** out of the first one, including during the install process and performance, the majority will pick the latter, not the former, unless the majority are OSS fanatics which they aren't or enjoy pulling their hair off

No, not at all, *******
This was not at all about good or bad drivers (otherwise I would have said something about the horrible quality of nv, OSS and written by NVidia) but about the statement of "missing cooperation with the community".

But I know that ***** views on things (i.e. your well known "statements" on GNOME vs. KDE).

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by Akoellh

No, not at all, ****

This was not at all about good or bad drivers (otherwise I would have said something about the horrible quality of nv, OSS and written by NVidia) but about the statement of "missing cooperation with the community".

But I know that ****** views on things (i.e. your well known "statements" on GNOME vs. KDE).

hahahahahaha.... you call others trolls because they don't share your own views, yet you troll yourself too and even label people ***** judging by how many smileys they use. And what are my well known "statements" about GNOME Vs KDE??? I'm a KDE user, I do not use or like GNOME but I've never pushed anyone in not using it and I certainly haven't trolled forums about this subject. I constantly let and advise people to use whatever they like or whatever works for them and some of my closest friends are GNOME users which is perfectly fine. Before ***** making a lot of assumptions without knowing a few important things, you should check your facts first. Just because I say GNOME is ****, does not mean that it's **** for others. It is **** for me thus I don't use/like it. Same thing with KDE. Lots find it to be **** and lots don't. All others on this forum who have repeatedly said GNOME being **** are trolls too in your eyes? Or did you single me out because it bugs you when I say it? You gonna argue with personal preferences now?

I'm surprised that you take such a post like mine, which explained a bit why people choose a blob over an oss driver and was in no way hostile or insulting, to be such a big deal and forced you to reply with calling names and assuming others have narrow minded views. Fact is at present, NV with their blob drivers are much better positioned currently. Fact is, the ATI drivers are still **** and most people advice to avoid them on Linux (they have narrow minded views too?). Fact is, ATI is trying to improve things and opening up but another fact is also that *at present* they are still not on par with the NV blobs and this is proven not only here when comparing how many people post about problems with ATI drivers, but also on a bazillion other forums too. It's good that ATI is opening up and I'm supporting that very much, but they still are "not there yet" when it comes to how their drivers are installed and how often lots of people have problems with them, bordering on going insane when trying to fix the mess.

Oh well, another one bites the dust and hits my block list... I bet you won a beer too, huh? Better go grab it while stores are open and make sure it's cold!

[oldcpu]

After my filling in the survey for the first time, at the end, after I submitted, I noted this: "If you have multiple Linux systems, fill out the survey again".

I maintain 7 Linux PCs in our family. I'm not going to fill in the survey 7 times. I imagine others who maintain many dozens of Linux PCs, are not going to fill in the survey dozens of times. IMHO they may need to give some thought to their approch, where they want users with multiple Linux systems to fill in the survey again.