Windows 7 in EU without Browser!

[Chrysantine]

Originally Posted by kastorff

Well, I'm allowed to laugh at the EU all I want. Each to their opinion.

Actually the consensus I've seen so far has been pretty positive from inside the IT people based in Europe.

If you go and read some US based media, you'll see instant backlash and attacks against EU - there's even a "Down with Opera!" boycott movement, "surprisingly" enough started by a US based site.

I was hoping they'd make Microsoft pull out of Europe completely - that would be worth a bottle of high quality liquor or two.

[syampillai]

Originally Posted by Chrysantine

...If you go and read some US based media, you'll see instant backlash and attacks against EU - there's even a "Down with Opera!" boycott movement, "surprisingly" enough started by a US based site...

M$ knows how to lobby such groups

[Knurpht]

Originally Posted by Chrysantine

Actually the consensus I've seen so far has been pretty positive from inside the IT people based in Europe.

I was hoping they'd make Microsoft pull out of Europe completely.

About the consensus, not only amongst my linux friends, but also amongst the windu IT people: same overhere. In fact most people agree that it's a start but not enough.

This is about the real problem: if I order a copy of Windows XP, MS charges me € 134,=. My regular IT shop offers the same computers incl. XP for under € 250,= , excl. XP for € 210,= There's no way the IT shop is financing the difference, so it must be some other party in the deal. An odd discrepancy.
During the last couple of years many big construction companies in the Netherlands have been heavily penalized for 'under the counter' price arrangements. A comparison between what these companies were trialled for and MS's pricing policy has been made a couple of times on tv and in the press.

What's being investigated now is this matter: If you don't sell all your hardware with our OS on it, we'll change our prices for what you do sell.

And the last sentence, I could not agree more. And yes, even if it's partly for emotional reasons (we'll show you our laws first, and you stick to them like any other company).

I hope this is only a start. Maybe one day, a newly bought computer boots with one menu (figures are fictional):
Select OS to install:
- Windows 7 ( € 134,= license fee )
- OSX ( € 159,= license fee )
- Ubuntu Linux ( no charges )
- openSUSE Linux (no charges )
- Other Linux
The machine would then download an image and perform an automated install finishing with the creation of a first user.

[consused]

Originally Posted by kastorff

...Well, I'm allowed to laugh at the EU all I want. Each to their opinion...

Let's clear that one up. Of course, you can laugh yourself silly about anything you wish to. If you read carefully you will notice I commented on the situation, and wouldn't address you as "it" in any case.

You have a point about the analogy, since you intended it to be nonsensical to prove a point. An emoticon may have helped, but it's easy to forget that one's closing remarks are often more fresh in readers' minds when they reply. Either way, we obviously thought it was a bad analogy.

[kastorff]

On 2009-06-14 06:46:01 -0400, Chrysantine
<Chrysantine@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> said:

>
> kastorff;1999017 Wrote:
>> Well, I'm allowed to laugh at the EU all I want. Each to their
>> opinion.
> Actually the consensus I've seen so far has been pretty positive from
> inside the IT people based in Europe.
>
> If you go and read some US based media, you'll see instant backlash and
> attacks against EU - there's even a "Down with Opera!" boycott movement,
> "surprisingly" enough started by a US based site.

Actually, I was just expressing my personal opinion. I don't really
care how many folks I can line up behind me. I'd suspect, however, that
there's a significant number of people in the world who see it as I do,
and a significant number of people who don't.

I just read what comes my way about the subject, and form an opinion.

>
> I was hoping they'd make Microsoft pull out of Europe completely - that
> would be worth a bottle of high quality liquor or two.

Indeed. I'd drink to that. See that's something that would really make
Microsoft address the reality of how much the EU hates them and simply
will not let go of their issues until they have real satisfaction. And
it would force the EU to act like a professional organization, and come
up with some serious _current_ justification for their current crusade.

--
Keith Kastorff

[kastorff]

On 2009-06-14 10:06:01 -0400, consused
<consused@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> said:

>
> kastorff;1999017 Wrote:
>> ...Well, I'm allowed to laugh at the EU all I want. Each to their
>> opinion...
> Let's clear that one up. Of course, you can laugh yourself silly about
> anything you wish to. If you read carefully you will notice I commented
> on the situation, and wouldn't address you as "it" in any case.

That needed clearing up? We actually have Laugh Police? Wow.

>
> You have a point about the analogy, since you intended it to be
> nonsensical to prove a point. An emoticon may have helped, but it's easy
> to forget that one's closing remarks are often more fresh in readers'
> minds when they reply. Either way, we obviously thought it was a bad
> analogy.

Hey, I'm not perfect. I thought the analogy was silly. Silly was the
point I was trying to make. But if we all focus on technically how we
each say something, as opposed to focusing on what we're trying to
communicate, it gets much more difficult for everyone. I think most
folks will understand.

--
Keith Kastorff

[consused]

Originally Posted by kastorff

...See that's something that would really make
Microsoft address the reality of how much the EU hates them and simply
will not let go of their issues until they have real satisfaction...

You mean let go of their issues and acquiesce just like the US government have? Hmm.

[kastorff]

On 2009-06-14 14:16:02 -0400, consused
<consused@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> said:

>
> kastorff;1999552 Wrote:
>> ...See that's something that would really make
>> Microsoft address the reality of how much the EU hates them and simply
>> will not let go of their issues until they have real satisfaction...
> You mean let go of their issues and acquiesce just like the US
> government have? Hmm.

No, that's not what I meant. I do hope the interpretive gyrations
didn't hurt too much...I know how much work it must have been to link
the two together.

--
Keith Kastorff

[consused]

It's not difficult when based on what actually took place.

[KefMaster]

Originally Posted by kastorff

On 2009-06-14 10:06:01 -0400,

Hey, I'm not perfect. I thought the analogy was silly. Silly was the
point I was trying to make. But if we all focus on technically how we
each say something, as opposed to focusing on what we're trying to
communicate, it gets much more difficult for everyone. I think most
folks will understand.

--
Keith Kastorff

I agree with the example you make, its a pity some people don't understand the point of the example you made.

Guys lets be honest, is it necessary to punish a company for being successful. i mean at the end of the day one has a choice to install what ever software they need on their system that they see as best. What if microsoft shipped without IE and an installer application to install other applications. What then???