#3 Questions

[Chrysantine]

Originally Posted by ken_yap

You will find that user experiences and advice are harder to come by because the audience is much smaller..

Well you'll still have 10 times more users than on Linux so inevitably you'll have a much larger base of users to pick your responses from.

Yes, when dealing with Linux you'll have lots of people who have run to the same issue but if you look at many of the responses on various forums, most of them are people guessing what the issue might be.

Let's not forget, much of the BSD knowledge translates well to OS X and the Darwin documentation is actually pretty good.

[ken_yap]

Mmm, even the Apple customer service reps are in the dark sometimes. Currently there is an issue with 10.5 where the updater fills up the partition by expanding the BerkeleyDB (IIRC) indefinitely. We're still waiting to hear back from Apple.

[microchip8]

Buying Macs/Apple products? lawl, not even if you pay me!!! In a sense, Apple is worse than MS by putting even more restriction on the OS and HW side (they not only lock their users on the OS side but also do it on the HW one).... I don't care how "good" it is, which is very debatable but you can't argue with Apple fangirls like Chrysantine. They are the worse. Macs are just pimped up PCs. There's nothing really inside that makes them different from a PC built with the same or similar components. Mac became a PC the day Apple dropped the PowerPC platform and the funny thing is that Jobs claimed PPC was a dead road ahead and just over a year later IBM came with the new Power architecture which blows away Intel/AMD in terms of clockspeed, IPC and parallism

[Chrysantine]

Originally Posted by microchip8

I don't care how "good" it is, which is very debatable but you can't argue with Apple fangirls like Chrysantine.

And Linux people are easy to argue with? Please. Take a look at the Usenet or various Linux forums as an example - even here.

Originally Posted by microchip8

Macs are just pimped up PCs. There's nothing really inside that makes them different from a PC built with the same or similar components.

Never denied that and never will - however when I'm shopping for "compatible products", they actually work right out of the box without hacking. It's a bonus for us who actually need to get the job done.

And let's not forget one thing - Apple gained more users in 12 months than Linux in 17 years.

They must be total suck then, right?

[caf4926]

I'd really prefer not to have to pay for something that I can get for free. I guess that applies as equally to OS's as it does to anything else you can think of!

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by Chrysantine

And Linux people are easy to argue with? Please. Take a look at the Usenet or various Linux forums as an example - even here.

I am easy to argue with. I don't dictate Linux for everything and have recommended Solaris and *BSD if it does the job better for a specific task and I certainly don't lock-in users into one single OS written for an in-house designed machine and dictate only that if I want to choose their platform.

Never denied that and never will - however when I'm shopping for "compatible products", they actually work right out of the box without hacking. It's a bonus for us who actually need to get the job done.

Surely with all your expertise you can make something that doesn't work out of the box on Linux, work with some effort. You can also shop for "compatible products" for Linux as many do so or buy from a big OEM like Dell or Lenovo which offers Linux compatible PCs/laptops/kitchen sinks, etc

And let's not forget one thing - Apple gained more users in 12 months than Linux in 17 years.

They must be total suck then, right?

Just look at their users. Complete clueless fashion/trendy/joks fags who buy Macs to be "cool" so they won't be left out from their clicks. They have no clue, nor are interested, in how Apple actually locks them in and not only that but also overcharges them in many cases. Even Apple developers get treated ****ty as seen by how many of them complain, especially when it comes to developing stuff for Apple portable devices like crapPhone and iFart. Also, marketing plays a big role in this and we all know that Linux marketing suxx, while Apple and MS are pretty good at it.

[caf4926]

You weren't implying some of those derogatory comments to Heidi were you?

marketing plays a big role

true. There were some recent forum comments about this in connection with Ub*ntu.

[microchip8]

Originally Posted by caf4926

You weren't implying some of those derogatory comments to Heidi were you?

true. There were some recent forum comments about this in connection with Ub*ntu.

No, I was not. I was generalizing and as we all know, in every group there are exceptions. Heidi is an exception as she knows a lot about computing while the joks/fashion/trendy clueless ones don't. Like Cindy Lauper should have sang "They just wanna be cool"

Also, lets look at the Apple overcharging. Lets see...

iPod Shuffle, 1GB storage (non-extensible), no screen, looks like it could fall apart any moment.. price here? €33

Proline MP3/WMA/WAV player, 4GB storage (extensible), colored OLED screen, as slim as the Shuffle (maybe a bit thicker), built-in 16 bands equalizer, limited MPEG4 Video capabilities... price here? €35

Why would I pay €33 for a ****ty Shuffle which barely offers something and not pay an extrat €2 and get the Proline which offers me far more and is as robust as the Shuffle, if not more (yes, I own one)

[ken_yap]

Friend of mine who uses Linux was sucked into buying an iPod Classic 80GB on impulse.

Unfortunately for him, it was not supported by Linux at that point. (Apple changed the iTunesDB format.) So he had to use Windows to load it up. Windows is bad enough, but the iTunes interface drives some people to rage. Fortunately for him, after a while, the iTunesDB format got reverse-engineered and he could use Amarok to load it up.

Unfortunately for him, one morning it wouldn't turn on. Searching the Net revealed that it would cost heaps to repair. He resigned himself to the loss. Fortunately for him one morning he discovered it turned on again. Maybe some firmware glitch. Maybe he needs to update. He's not happy with the prospect of tangling with Windows iTunes to do that so he's procrastinating. Meanwhile keeping it charged up seems to be working.

I think it's an overpriced gadget. Even though the screen and the UI is nice I wouldn't pay that much for it. I'm happy to buy a cheap flash memory based player that I won't feel sad if it got crushed by a giant cat's paw. Or simply suffers from won't-turn-on-itis. But he seems to like the idea of having all his music on it, even though he's only filled a fraction of the disk. He isn't even into videos which seems a waste of the player's capabilities.

[ken_yap]

Oh, I just have to inflict this bad joke I thought up of sometime ago on you guys:

Q: What does a ship's captain listen to?

A: An iiPod.

:lol: