Win 7 - IN THE NEWS!!! WHY????

[consused]

Originally Posted by malcolmlewis

Hi
I did some work for a company in NZ, they were still running a 3.1 box
with word 2.0 connected on a LANtastic internal network to four DOS
6.22 machines. Their main application was still running DOS and is still
supported by the software provider AFAIK it's still running that
way today

They had one machine hooked to DSL and not on the network though, it
was running 98SE (probably still is).......

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The exception that proves the rule, or in this case palladium's point.

> I do not believe #2,#3,#4,#5 are typical problems of intelligent users

apparently you think i answered in order to argue...i did not, i agree
that Redmond makes a product that many are happy with...and i think
they should stay with it as long as they remain happy with its cost..

i left Redmond in '95 and switched entirely to OS/2...so, i have a 14
year virus and rootkit free desktop experience (not server)...but, i
never said it was a given that all you had to do was install Warp or
Linux and assume you were bullet-proof....on the other hand, while i
have taken precautions (firewall, nat router, and root kit defenses)
i've installed no anti-windows-virus software, and don't intend to..

on the other hand, i have personal friends who have experienced
numbers 2, 3, 4 and 5....now, maybe they are not intelligent....i
don't know, but i do know that i had a friend ask me how to get
started in Ubuntu, just two days ago...and, i helped him..

and, a couple or three years ago i helped a grandmother throw out her
horribly infested Win-something machine, helper her pick out a new
machine and immediately installed openSUSE 10.2 on it...

you should hear her talk about how much fun she has when she gets
together with her old lady friends and they get to complaining about
all the problems they have with Vista/XP and older...she just laughs
and laughs explaining the disbelief on their face when she tells them
she has a free system, free firewall, free office software, free
everything AND no anti-malware software slowing down everything while
it grinds away..

*and* she is not the least bit confused about the value of Linux on
the desktop (vs server, as you state, because she has absolutely no
concept of what a "server" is)...the benefit she sees on the desktop
is immense..


> and when is the last time someone used Win 3.1?

my point exactly! and why did the world move away from 3.1? i'd say
because everything that ran on midnight released Win95 used a
completely different file format and folks were *forced* to
'upgrade'..(MS has pulled that trick over and over...or, can Word from
1995 open and 'word process' the output of Word-today? no, they
'innovated' their user base to more and more expensive products..)


> it appears that some individuals affection for linux is
> almost like a tribal association, it is not helpful to the cause of
> linux.

i do not disagree....on the other hand being a member of _this_ tribe
is not based solely on "fewer viruses" as you suggested..

i've seen (whether you want to accept or believe them, or not) many
other reasons...and now add one more: personally i'm a member of this
tribe because i refuse to be pulled around by my locked-in nose ring
by a predatory and two continent convicted (for illegal business
practices) corporation whose board room have amassed fortunes greater
than the combined worth of several countries whose babies are
starving, as we squabble..

out.

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palladium
Have a lot of fun..

[growbag]

What you get:

Microsoft -

1. Big American Corporation, enough said.
2. Win7 EULA says they can scan my entire computer without my knowledge or consent, and lock my OS if they think they find something they deem to be "illegal".
3. NSA backdoors built in.
4. Internet is constantly being accessed, and the hard disk light flashes. What is it doing?
5. No disk encryption included.

Linux -

1. I trust it because I know what is installed, and what is going out/coming in.
2. Easy to fix when there is a problem, think "registry corruption".
3. I don't have to pay money for a CD/DVD writing app, and I have media players without advertising/spyware built in.
4. Disk encryption is already included, I don't have to pay €199 for the SuperDeluxeEliteCorporatemoronIhaveaBig*****Honest version in order to secure my files.
5. When I visit a website I can laugh when they try to automatically install a virus/spyware.
6. No corporation to tell me when I am allowed to use my computer, and nobody accessing my computer without my consent/knowledge.

I tried Windows7 enterprise on a spare hard disk. It's ok, I mean I only had to install the Nvidia driver, and the 2 unknown devices didn't seem to cause any problems.

But the EULA was a shock, there is no way in hell I would agree to their demands, so I couldn't use it anyway.

And in my opinion they really made a mistake by making the desktop look like KDE3, those horrid big taskbar icons that take up twice their width in space are rather silly, what's all that about?

It did start up faster than Vista, and also shutdown. It also connects to the network much faster than any previous Windows version.

The system sounds are nice, way better than the god-awful KDE4 rubbish we have, but not really worth paying €199 for.

I actually really like the Vista desktop, it is well put together and everything fits well, they should have left it alone. I'm talking purely from a looks point of view there of course, nothing to do with functionality.

In fact, I've had Vista home premium (that means I get the ripoff Compiz stuff) on my laptop since I bought it 2 years ago, and it works perfectly. I only ever had 1 problem with it, and that was a forced update that wasted the entire evening for me because it wouldn't let me shutdown without installing the blasted things.

I left it overnight because it was taking so long, and when it finally allowed me to reboot the next morning, it was completely borked. I had to restore from my DVD and re-install all my games. Fun .

I have Vista on my computer now (alongside openSUSE naturally) and it runs all my games perfectly. And without a virus checker, anti-spyware app, and those annoying updates turned off, it is quite nice to use.

It really is a good game OS, and if you accept it for that and don't try using it for any Internet work and never install anything, then you've got it made.

[redbook4574]

Guys, just one question, why so much effort into flaming micro$oft, how about a little more extolling the virtues of linux in all it's various guises. microsoft will have it's place until we educate the unwashed that (apart from games - were getting there slowly), if you can do it on windows, you can do it on linux for free.

redbook4574 wrote:
> Guys, just one question, why so much effort into flaming micro$oft

not flaming...just answering RichardET's question with pure true facts!

what could possibly be the problem with answering a question with
facts rather than emotion?

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Have a lot of fun..

[RichardET]

"Microsoft -

1. Big American Corporation, enough said.
2. Win7 EULA says they can scan my entire computer without my knowledge or consent, and lock my OS if they think they find something they deem to be "illegal".
3. NSA backdoors built in.
4. Internet is constantly being accessed, and the hard disk light flashes. What is it doing?
5. No disk encryption included.

Linux -

1. I trust it because I know what is installed, and what is going out/coming in.
2. Easy to fix when there is a problem, think "registry corruption".
3. I don't have to pay money for a CD/DVD writing app, and I have media players without advertising/spyware built in.
4. Disk encryption is already included, I don't have to pay €199 for the SuperDeluxeEliteCorporatemoronIhaveaBig*****Honest version in order to secure my files.
5. When I visit a website I can laugh when they try to automatically install a virus/spyware.
6. No corporation to tell me when I am allowed to use my computer, and nobody accessing my computer without my consent/knowledge."

I have to say that there is misinformation here and you know it. You can get the EULA for Win 7 online and I did and I fail to see where it states it will lock your OS for any reason other than having an illegal copy; as long as you have a legitimate copy, you will never experience problems. You know I hate to be appearing to carry water for MS, as it is definitely not my true style, but I do not like to read propaganda being pushed as fact.
Obviously linux accesses the internet too as it will notify you of updates; Firefox does this too. As far as NSA goes, everyone knows what this is about and it is definitely not a secret plot by MS to control the world!
Back in 2000 I was running a copy of Redhat 5.1 as a simple email server in my house and someone hacked it. Obviously those flaws were fixed long ago, but the fact is linux is not always impervious to unwanted hacking, then and probably not now.

[Axeia]

Originally Posted by growbag

3. I don't have to pay money for a CD/DVD writing app, and I have media players without advertising/spyware built in.

Burning can be done for free , and I'm sure that's just one of many.
Hell, with a default install you're able to burn things to a disk out of the box via explorer by simply copy and pasting.

SMPlayer my favorite Linux mediaplayer run quite fine under windows as well (although it disables Aero while it's running), of course VLC works fine as well. There are free windows 'native' players as well such as Windows Media Player Classic (oddly enough not related to Windows Media Player at all despite its name).

If you like strange EULAs you should read the itunes one, it's a real blast (pun intended).
Think Microsofts codecs that moonlight tries to download has some odd things in it as well.

[chief_sealth]

Originally Posted by RichardET

You can get the EULA for Win 7 online and I did and I fail to see where it states it will lock your OS for any reason other than having an illegal copy; as long as you have a legitimate copy, you will never experience problems.

Oh no? "Genuine Advantage" has had a high rate of false positives in the past, estimated anywhere from 25 to 40%. Hopefully, they have improved this, but that, and DRM, were what lead me to abandon Windows altogether.