Win 7 - IN THE NEWS!!! WHY????

[BrownieCat]

Originally Posted by vendetta18

@microchip8

That snap really left me speechless Will Bill Gates ever have the Guts to pose in front of some Linux OS...

This snap made me think about what will be the response of a Windows user who sees Bill Gates in posing thumbs up in front of some Linux OS...

And, what is the response of Linux users when they see this snap... Did anyone of us even thought even for a second that Linus was really promoting Windows 7.. Not for me at least. I had a good laugh...

Linux users know what Windows OS is capable of. Period

Actually, Linus in this picture is being rather sarcastic. Linus was at that time in Japan at some Linux kernel Summit. To promote Windows, Microsoft set up a Win7 stall across the street. And Linus just went up and gave that sarcastic thumbs up.
Just like MS to set up a stall in such a place and then be laughed at.

Knurpht wrote:
> This is one dull game.

yep, there best game is XBox..

--
palladium

[chief_sealth]

Originally Posted by john_hudson

No but it may turn out a bit like XP after 98, the one that runs for years and never gets any better - because MS has run out of ideas. It no longer has anything new to offer people. The only question is whether the decline is long and slow or short and sudden.

I can't argue with that. Microsoft has never had much to offer in the way of new ideas. With all their cash they've never done anything innovative. They boast a huge R&D program, but seem to have a conservative, corporate philosophy there concerned with quick profits and stock market gains. Great argument for open source.

[Tester5000]

...and a week later nobody cares any more

*grin*

[chief_sealth]

Originally Posted by Tester5000

...and a week later nobody cares any more

*grin*

Cares about what?

[RichardET]

Linux has been very innovative in the server arena, but from a user experience on the desktop, I fail to see how the advancements in KDE are useful, much less necessary; Also frankly GNOME is somewhat boring (from a GUI perspective), and KDE has serious driver support issues. I do support Novell by buying SLED support ($50 per year) and at least one OPENsuse boxed set ($59.95) per year and there have been clear improvements overall with each new release, but for the average user who does email, browsing, speadsheets, word processing,etc, other than fewer viruses, what is the argument from the pure linux user community to someone who is satisfied with his use of OS/X or Win 7 to switch to linux? The anti MS rhetoric is immature and proves nothing other than one's own immaturity.

> other than fewer viruses

it is not just "fewer viruses", in my experience of almost ten years
it is "zero viruses" and:

1. ten times whatever it cost (in money and _my_ time) to keep a
anti-virus, anti-malware, anti-keylogger, anti-botnet, etc program
installed and updated for one year..

2. whatever it cost (in time and money) to clean an infected machine,
despite all the time and money spent in 1. above..

3. whatever it cost (time and money) to fight my bank after some
webspace-hoodlum read my keystrokes and emptied my account, even after
1 *and* 2 above..

4. whatever is the forced cost to buy (and time to install) new
software (oh, you say you are not forced? so, load up Windows 3.1 and
tell me how much you like *that* web experience)

5. immeasurable benefit of not worrying if my machine is gonna
--lock up
--require a re-boot
--need a yearly re-install to clean out the crud
--demand major surgery on the 'registry'
--etc

that said, i do think one "who is satisfied with his use of OS/X or
Win 7" including their cost (money, time *and* worry) should continue
as long as they remain satisfied.

its a big world out there, with lots of different folks, and i can
guarantee you that openSUSE (and all the others flavors of Linux) is
*not* for everyone..

in fact, there are many struggling along with non-Linux software that
(frankly) are not someone that i'd have enough patience to try to help
here..

imHo, the minimum level of capability required to be happy with Linux
is a measurable interval further right on the bell curve than either
of those systems you mention..

--
palladium
Have a lot of fun..

[RichardET]

Originally Posted by palladium

> other than fewer viruses

it is not just "fewer viruses", in my experience of almost ten years
it is "zero viruses" and:

1. ten times whatever it cost (in money and _my_ time) to keep a
anti-virus, anti-malware, anti-keylogger, anti-botnet, etc program
installed and updated for one year..

2. whatever it cost (in time and money) to clean an infected machine,
despite all the time and money spent in 1. above..

3. whatever it cost (time and money) to fight my bank after some
webspace-hoodlum read my keystrokes and emptied my account, even after
1 *and* 2 above..

4. whatever is the forced cost to buy (and time to install) new
software (oh, you say you are not forced? so, load up Windows 3.1 and
tell me how much you like *that* web experience)

5. immeasurable benefit of not worrying if my machine is gonna
--lock up
--require a re-boot
--need a yearly re-install to clean out the crud
--demand major surgery on the 'registry'
--etc

that said, i do think one "who is satisfied with his use of OS/X or
Win 7" including their cost (money, time *and* worry) should continue
as long as they remain satisfied.

its a big world out there, with lots of different folks, and i can
guarantee you that openSUSE (and all the others flavors of Linux) is
*not* for everyone..

in fact, there are many struggling along with non-Linux software that
(frankly) are not someone that i'd have enough patience to try to help
here..

imHo, the minimum level of capability required to be happy with Linux
is a measurable interval further right on the bell curve than either
of those systems you mention..

--
palladium
Have a lot of fun..

I do not believe #2,#3,#4,#5 are typical problems of intelligent users and when is the last time someone used Win 3.1? I personally have been using linux since 1998 and I am a 20 yr user of unix and was a very early adopter of OS/2. I also recall Robert Morris who did a number on a few unix boxes, so don't make claims unix/linux is by default immune to viruses (worms). I think you are mixing arguments for servers and desktops and like I have stated linux is an excellent choice for servers, but you have proved nothing regarding the linux superiority over the desktop; people shut laptops down; they do not keep them running indefinitely and even linux needs a reboot after a kernel upgrade. I agree with you that the design/arhitecture of linux is excellent (as far as I know although I am not a former computer science major), but it appears that some individuals affection for linux is almost like a tribal association, it is not helpful to the cause of linux.

[malcolmlewis]

Originally Posted by RichardET

I do not believe #2,#3,#4,#5 are typical problems of intelligent users
and when is the last time someone used Win 3.1?

Hi
I did some work for a company in NZ, they were still running a 3.1 box
with word 2.0 connected on a LANtastic internal network to four DOS
6.22 machines. Their main application was still running DOS and is still
supported by the software provider AFAIK it's still running that
way today

They had one machine hooked to DSL and not on the network though, it
was running 98SE (probably still is).......

--
Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.27.37-0.1-default
up 2 days 12:27, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.10, 0.09
GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - CUDA Driver Version: 190.18

[consused]

Originally Posted by RichardET

I do not believe #2,#3,#4,#5 are typical problems of intelligent users... ?

I agreed with much of your previous post where you referred to "average user", but I don't think that automatically covers the "intelligent users". I would also agree with palladium's comment about the consequential cost of viruses and trojans etc., and software replacements, assuming he was addressing your average user.

...to someone who is satisfied with his use of OS/X or Win 7...

To that user, my advice would be to keep using it as long as it delivers what they need, at an affordable cost.