Ubuntu reviews....

[cjcox]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 02:56 +0000, MountainX wrote:
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> if i ever leave, these might be the reasons:
>
> - miguel de icaza

Because he loves technology? Because he made signficant contributions
to the device mapper and software raid? Because he started Gnome?

Miguel is guilty of one thing... he likes some of the technology he
has seen out of Redmond. Are we REALLY trying to say that ALL
Microsoft engineers are morons? Really?

> - microsoft

Having Microsoft PAY for further Linux support was stupid? I think it
was dastardly cool.

> - novell

No comment. Novell needs help.

> - software patents

???

> - getting spurned by the community for saying the above things (which
> i hope doesn't happen). actually, i'm hoping people don't see this
> last part of my post.

Seen. You are not different from most. You hear FUD and you repeat
FUD. That's what FUD does. I think you might want to do your own
research on the matters above. But it's easier to just move along
with the crowd.

For the purists out there... (most of the FUDsters would claim they
are "clean"... let's see...)

1. You CANNOT play DVDs on Linux, if you do you are a Miguel and should
be shot.

2. You CANNOT play shockwave/flash on Linux, if you do you are a
Miguel and we'll crucify you tomorrow.

3. You CANNOT use MP3s, if you do you are a Miguel and we must
tear out your heart.

4. You CANNOT use Nvidia or Broadcomm or any other proprietary
drivers, if you do you are a Miguel and we must burn you.

5. You CANNOT use Wine because it smells too much like Microsoft, if
you do you are a Miguel and we just plain hate you.

6. You CANNOT use Evolution because it can talk to an Exchange
server. Exchange is evil. If you use Evolution your are a
Miguel and we will shun you and your family.

Somewhere along the way.... we lost site of what matters most. That
is, allowing people to do what they want to do. Sure... we SHOULD
promote free + open source as the answer for true "property"
protection. But at the same time, I think it's wrong to move to
an "all stop" position while wait for some sort of instant
revolution.

Consider Mono for just a minute. Did you know that BECAUSE of
Mono, that Microsoft developers can now access APIs and classes that
Microsoft (the company) didn't allow? Did you know that?
Did you know that BECAUSE of Mono, there is an application that
allows Microsoft developers to develop software that will run
on Linux... and have you seen how many Microsoft developers are
now using the GPL (yes... the GPL!) to license their code!

Is there something forcing YOU to use Mono? No.

Do you think we should tell Microsoft developers to get off of Linux for
development and strictly develop their code for Windows? Is
that the TRUE goal? Free and open source for everyone BUT
Microsofties? Is that REALLY the goal?

Just some things to consider...

[TioDuke]

Originally Posted by cjcox

Did you know that BECAUSE of Mono, there is an application that allows Microsoft developers to develop software that will run on Linux... and have you seen how many Microsoft developers are now using the GPL (yes... the GPL!) to license their code!

Please, name one. A single one significant .net application that was ported from Windows to Linux and then I will consider running anything using Mono.
Windows/Microsoft open-source developers have been using the GPL for years now. I myself have been involved in one of such development teams 5 years ago. Of course, it is still GPL v2 as M$ has already 'condemned' the GPL v3.

You also forgot to talk about Moonlight or 'moonshine' or whatever. Instead of embracing open standards and discussing about the new HTML 5 video tag, people are installing 'moonshine' in order to be able to make use of codecs distributed to us directly by M$. So, we still did not learn anything.

Also Miguel, whom I believe has good motivations but fails to see the bad M$ is willing to infringe to the FLOSS community, have already praised the goods of the OOXML standard. Who can seriously talk any good of that?

[GofBorg]

I get more peeved and the endless rebuffs such as Hulu beta supporting
Ubuntu and RedHat.

[Jonathan_R]

Originally Posted by GofBorg

I get more peeved and the endless rebuffs such as Hulu beta supporting
Ubuntu and RedHat.

I have Huludesktop running and working in openSUSE 11.1. I just had to tell it where flash was.

[Jonathan_R]

Originally Posted by TioDuke

Please, name one. A single one significant .net application that was ported from Windows to Linux and then I will consider running anything using Mono.
Windows/Microsoft open-source developers have been using the GPL for years now. I myself have been involved in one of such development teams 5 years ago. Of course, it is still GPL v2 as M$ has already 'condemned' the GPL v3.

You also forgot to talk about Moonlight or 'moonshine' or whatever. Instead of embracing open standards and discussing about the new HTML 5 video tag, people are installing 'moonshine' in order to be able to make use of codecs distributed to us directly by M$. So, we still did not learn anything.

Also Miguel, whom I believe has good motivations but fails to see the bad M$ is willing to infringe to the FLOSS community, have already praised the goods of the OOXML standard. Who can seriously talk any good of that?

Wow. A simple google search and your questions are answered. The funny thing is, you mentioned some of the apps in your very post. Silverlight is being ported from Microsoft to Linux. The name of the app....moonlight or moonshine.

Please, take a gander through Google. microsoft applications ported to linux - Google Search

I don't like Microsoft in anyway, but, if it helps Linux....

[MountainX]

Originally Posted by Jonathan_R

I don't like Microsoft in anyway, but, if it helps Linux....

If you think anything Microsoft does will intentionally help Linux in the long run, you do not know Microsoft.

[Jonathan_R]

Originally Posted by MountainX

If you think anything Microsoft does will intentionally help Linux in the long run, you do not know Microsoft.

I know Microsoft way to well for that. That's why I like open source.

[TioDuke]

Originally Posted by Jonathan_R

Wow. A simple google search and your questions are answered. The funny thing is, you mentioned some of the apps in your very post. Silverlight is being ported from Microsoft to Linux. The name of the app....moonlight or moonshine.

Please, take a gander through Google. microsoft applications ported to linux - Google Search

I don't like Microsoft in anyway, but, if it helps Linux....

NO. Monnshine does not count. It is not a port of Silverlight, it is a re-implementation of Silverlight for Linux. They did not take the .Net code and compiled it using Mono. They had to implement it themselves. Also Silverlight is arguably a *significant* Windows' application. Heck, it is not even an application!

I took a look at your Google search, it merely talks about Moonshine or how to port windows' application to Linux. As I said, there are no *significant* applications being ported from Windows to Linux. What Miguel claims is still to be seen.

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by TioDuke

As I said, there are no *significant* applications being ported from Windows to Linux. What Miguel claims is still to be seen.

This is so subjective.

Anyone one of us could point out an important app that was ported from Linux to Windows, and then with a broad subjective wave of one's hand (ie reply on the keyboard) you may say, NO, its not significant.

I have friends who are big MS-Windows fans, who have never used Linux one minute of their life, who use an application that was originally developed for Linux, that was ported to Windows. They as Windows users think it IS significant. They use it a lot. But their assessment is so subjective, and this issue is so subjective, whats the point of discussing it ?? It will boil down to point and counter point that is no more than "YES IT IS !", followed by " NO ITS NOT", followed by "YES IT IS." ...

Suffice to say, there are those who disagree with your statement about no significant Linux apps being ported.

[GofBorg]

>> I get more peeved and the endless rebuffs such as Hulu beta supporting
>> Ubuntu and RedHat.
> I have Huludesktop running and working in openSUSE 11.1. I just had to
> tell it where flash was.

Not saying it can't be done, but when more and more people see those two
names being associated as first tier supported, that's not good.