The pain never stops

[karx11erx]

Hi,

From the beginning, my Linux history has been one of trouble and pain. I am using openSUSE Linux for 3 or 4 years now. I started with openSUSE 10.1. When I remember right I had to install it three times, every time cutting down on the software I had it install additionally to the default selection until I got a working installation. Eventually that installation slowly destroyed itself just by my regular applying any updates the system proposed to me.

As the system had deteriorated to a point where it wasn't useable anyway, I decided to install 10.3. You guess it, one attempt didn't suffice.

A few months ago I set up openSUSE 11.1 at my workplace. It took me three attempts and considerable tweaking of config files until it worked and accepted the ATI graphics driver (which had installed itself flawlessy on my very similarly equipped machine at home).

Today I installed 11.1 at my Linux box at home. I was amazed how easy it went - I had a few minor hickups regarding sound and Eclipse installation, that was all. Then I made a big mistake: I invoked the update function. It updated a hell of a lot of packages and told me to reboot. That was the last thing I saw of my new openSUSE 11.1 install: When the login screen should have appeared after rebooting, I alternatingly saw that X-shaped X Windows cursor and that cursor showing dots lighting up in a circle.

So I tried a system repair. The repair function found a damaged file system, and damaged boot loader, and - both an openSUSE 10.3 and 11.1 root partition. WTF? The system still didn't boot afterwards.

So now I am back to a full, clean install. It took me a while to understand where I had goofed up during the first install: It was at the partitioning stage, when the installer had made a totally idiotic default proposition I had blindly accepted.

Yeah, sure, I am too dumb to install Linux. Problem is, I am not dumb. Actually I am a software developer and hence have a certain understanding of computers, operating systems, even low level stuff like partitions, drivers, and what not. I hope you get the point. You may propose I should try Ubuntu because that's idiot proof, and heck yeah, I tried two times, and both times the installer crashed. So I chose openSUSE because it was said it was such a user friendly distro.

From all my experience with openSUSE I can say that very obviously all those super smart Linux geeks, who despise something like Windows as "not a real OS" apparently are too stupid to make something complicated simple and accessible.

Unfortunately I have to use Linux, so I will beat myself to another installation, but if I wouldn't, I'd wish it to hell. Don't tell me that it must be all my fault because you never had problems. I didn't mess around with my installation, all I did was a vanilla install with little extras (and certainly no messing with the system), and this is not a singular experience of mine.

I tell you one thing, Linux geeks: Linux will never succeed on the desktop. It will never be popular. Not in a hundred years. And that is not because the user is too stupid, but because those who make Linux are too stupid. Too stupid to let go of their elitist attitude and of the concept that only an expert should own and operate a computer. Too stupid to make something complicated simple and accessible. Yeah, I know there are more distros than just openSUSE, but that doesn't change a thing. My debian driven web server doesn't make me too happy either.

You could learn a hell of a lesson from Microsoft. If you could only admit it, and would finally start with it. Until you do, enjoy the feeling of getting stomped again and again by someone you despise. Deservedly.

[Brian66]

This more of a rant than trying to get some help. You should of post this in the soapbox. Try Linuxmint its great like Opensuse.

[karx11erx]

I am not looking for help (I mean, I am currently reinstalling anyway, remember?). I rather wonder when Novell will ever get their SUSE Linux act together!

[Brian66]

You spend years on Windows and give only a day(s) learning linux before you start complaining. Did you ever ask for help? Its not like Windows ever had any issues. Most of the time when I used Windows in the past a quick reformatt and reinstall solve the problem. I got tired of BSOD, cleaning the registry and defragging my hard drive. You can keep Windows I'll just keep using Opensuse.

[karx11erx]

"A day"? You can't read, do you?

I AM USING OPENSUSE LINUX FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW!

I hope that did arrive.

Btw, I never ever had serious problems with Windows (XP). The only time I had to install it was when I got new hardware.

[Brian66]

I should of said most people give linux a day or two before they give up and go back to Windows. Better now.

Originally Posted by karx11erx

You can't read, do you?

I AM USING OPENSUSE LINUX FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW!

I hope that did arrive.

Btw, I never ever had serious problems with Windows (XP). The only time I had to install it was when I got new hardware.

[karx11erx]

It is "I should have said". "I should of [something]" sounds pretty ... well, I don't want to be too offensive: illiterate.

But the soapbox would have been a better place for my initial post. First time I see something like that in a forum. Too bad I cannot edit it anymore, or I'd move it there.

[conram]

Originally Posted by karx11erx

It is "I should have said". "I should of [something]" sounds pretty ... well, I don't want to be too offensive: illiterate.

But the soapbox would have been a better place for my initial post. First time I see something like that in a forum. Too bad I cannot edit it anymore, or I'd move it there.

You can pm one of the admins and see if they can relocate your post in the soapbox.

Happy opensusing. or maybe opensusepain. Just kidding, don't take it seriously.

[Confuseling]

Here's an idea smart guy; The fundamentals of Linux work - it does, after all, run the majority of the world's supercomputers, so they have to be doing something right. If the problem is purely the attitude of the devs, and all it would take is an enlightened soul to knock down the ivory tower, why don't you do it? Not good enough at coding? Why doesn't somebody who is, then?

Maybe because it isn't possible (yet)? Why don't they make spaceships easy to fly, or medicines cheaper? Why in your years of using SUSE haven't you requested help from the knowledgeable folks on this board before? Why don't rants like this interest us any more?

[karx11erx]

#1 I already have a job as a software developer.

#2 Smart move with the super computers. Gives a notion of superiority to Linux (just like comparing operating a Linux equipped personal desktop computer to flying a space ship, eh?). I was however talking about the desktop world, consisting of people who can neither afford the time to learn to administrate each bit of a Linux system, nor to pay someone to do it for them, but instead want something that supports them with the the work they have to do, and is not constantly in their way. Super computers, pff. Actually you are confirming what I said about the Linux crowd's elitist attitude. Btw, the people programming super computer applications on those Linux equipped super computers are not those administrating them. Go figure.

#3 So you are proposing I should take over the Linux world and tell them where to go? Fix all of Linux' problems with my awesome coding skills? Surely everybody would follow me gladly, and once I've found a way to connect my brains to all Linux computers world wide I will magically fix Linux with the power of my thoughts, because one man is enough to cure all of Linux' problems and shortcomings.

Why do you assume I never asked for help with Linux before? You are making all kinds of uneducated assumptions and can't be arsed to verify them first. Good move.

Heck, you don't care, that's why you reply.

Nice try. Try again. To think before you post, I mean.

@conram:

Opensuffering?

Heh.