Why not openSUSE...?

[oldcpu]

Originally Posted by microchip8

I was more referring to *global* software that eventually ends up in most if not all Linuxes
zypper & YaST are SUSE-centric pieces

Sure. I have no disagreement with your posts. The quote that I note is flat wrong is this quote:

while openSUSE just picks up what's been done/tested

... thats a wide open, non qualified statement, and as a wide open non qualified statement, its just not true.

[microchip8]

yes, it isn't really true as SUSE itself does *a lot* in-house testing and patching *before* picking up the pieces. And of course, SUSE has kernel developers, GNOME and KDE developers, Mono developers, etc

[6205]

1./I don't like the look of application browser after first install of GNOME.. Since from indtroducing concept of main menu, control center and application browser - the last named is a f*cking mess. There are way too many shortcuts (desktop files) in this one right after the installation. Many of them are there multiple times 2 or more when they are also present in control center. An the worst part is that nobody cares to clean it a bit, remove some stupid dual shortcuts and make it more user friendly. I must spend long hours to delete some of them from /usr/share/applications, until it looks finally good.http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2797/wowtl3.png
Somebody should take care of this for 11.2


2./ Sax2 sucks - this obsolete **** still ovewrites some settings and overall should openSUSE drop some old config applications from Yast, because there are many native GNOME configuration apps already. Just look at Ubuntu. No Yast, but still fine. My suggestion would be leave in Yast only those modules, which have no adequate alternative in default GNOME desktop.

on your item 1: i don't disagree, except (i looked at your png, and) i
think you misunderstand something....the BIG window on the right is
the app browser, it should have _all_ applications, right?

that little thing down on the left which has all the duplicates is
_not_ a duplicate of your app browser, instead it shows (as it says)
your "Favorite Applications"...in other words, what YOU have clicked
on the most, or the most recently...

if you open (say) YaST several times suddenly YaST will have been used
more and it will show up in that short list (it is probably already
under the "More Applications..." button..

the short "Favorite Applications" list is just there to make it easy
for you to quickly see/find what you are most likely to be using
again, when you FIRST click on the menu lizard...right now, THERE is
Firefox..._without_ having to click again to open the full list in the
"Application Browser" (which includes ALL programs, even the ones you
have NEVER used, and are therefore not your 'favorite')..

so, no duplicates to remove-- make sense?

now, if you do not want your "Favorite Applications" to pop up with
the FIRST click on the Menu, and you ALWAYS wanna wade through the
FULL list in the app browser AFTER the second click....well, that is
another thing....i guess the Favorite Applications window can be
hidden or disabled...but, i've never tried to...if i were going to try
i'd look for a way to do that in the Menu Editor..

have fun :-)

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brassy

[malcolmlewis]

Originally Posted by brassy

on your item 1: i don't disagree, except (i looked at
your png, and) i think you misunderstand something....the BIG window on
the right is the app browser, it should have _all_ applications, right?

that little thing down on the left which has all the duplicates is
_not_ a duplicate of your app browser, instead it shows (as it says)
your "Favorite Applications"...in other words, what YOU have clicked
on the most, or the most recently...

if you open (say) YaST several times suddenly YaST will have been used
more and it will show up in that short list (it is probably already
under the "More Applications..." button..

the short "Favorite Applications" list is just there to make it easy
for you to quickly see/find what you are most likely to be using
again, when you FIRST click on the menu lizard...right now, THERE is
Firefox..._without_ having to click again to open the full list in the
"Application Browser" (which includes ALL programs, even the ones you
have NEVER used, and are therefore not your 'favorite')..

so, no duplicates to remove-- make sense?

now, if you do not want your "Favorite Applications" to pop up with
the FIRST click on the Menu, and you ALWAYS wanna wade through the
FULL list in the app browser AFTER the second click....well, that is
another thing....i guess the Favorite Applications window can be
hidden or disabled...but, i've never tried to...if i were going to try
i'd look for a way to do that in the Menu Editor..

have fun :-)

Hi
It's all done with the gconf-editor main-menu -> lock-down and modify
the 'showable_file_types'

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[dragonbite]

Originally Posted by 6205

1./I don't like the look of application browser after first install of GNOME.. Since from indtroducing concept of main menu, control center and application browser - the last named is a f*cking mess.

One thing I can't stand is to open a non-Favorite application it has to open a second window?! What's up with that!? Windows, KDE3, KDE4 and basic Gnome does not require a window to open when trying to open an application. It's unecessary extra clicking and if a lot of things are going (like runaway apps) on then you have conflicts with this opening up under other windows that take the focus, or it just seems slower than the usual menu options.

Now I know you can change it to a classic menu, but what I could not find was how to change it to the typical 3-menu (Applications, Places and System) that (practically) everybody else (distro-wise) using Gnome uses.

I'm not totally sold on KDE's slab menu either, but I find it better than this. Plus the menu takes up so much wasted space it looks bulky. I don't mean to make everything smaller, but ther amount of background space and space between icons/entries is wasted space.

For Yast and configuration, the window design is alright, but not for opening applications.

[malcolmlewis]

Originally Posted by dragonbite

6205;2015710 Wrote:
> 1./I don't like the look of application browser after first install of
> GNOME.. Since from indtroducing concept of main menu, control center
> and application browser - the last named is a f*cking mess.

One thing I can't stand is to open a non-Favorite application it has to
open a second window?! What's up with that!? Windows, KDE3, KDE4 and
basic Gnome does not require a window to open when trying to open an
application. It's unecessary extra clicking and if a lot of things are
going (like runaway apps) on then you have conflicts with this opening
up under other windows that take the focus, or it just seems slower than
the usual menu options.

Now I know you can change it to a classic menu, but what I could not
find was how to change it to the typical 3-menu (Applications, Places
and System) that (practically) everybody else (distro-wise) using Gnome
uses.

I'm not totally sold on KDE's slab menu either, but I find it better
than this. Plus the menu takes up so much wasted space it looks bulky.
I don't mean to make everything smaller, but ther amount of background
space and space between icons/entries is wasted space.

For Yast and configuration, the window design is alright, but not for
opening applications.

Hi
On other distros the menu system is down in /etc/xdg/ in openSuSE it's
in /etc/alacarte_system

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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.27.23-0.1-default
up 13:10, 2 users, load average: 0.74, 0.63, 0.28
GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 185.18.14

[Heremod]

Novell sales representatives and technical support pissed us "all" off

They are still very good at doing that , especially here in Europe Closing offices left and right (Austria for e.g) leaving Customers out cold. I had a Customer with a faulty SLES registration in their NCC (Novell Customer Center) took them 3 Months to delete it. During that time they couldn't update their servers either (that just one example of European NTS)

even the best products (like Netware)

That POS OS ? Seriously it already has 1 foot in the grave and when it is finally no longer supported (2014 if I am correct ?) is a day to through a party. The only thing NetWare is good as is File (NSS) and Print Services. Everything else e-Directory e.g. can run on linux/Unix or Solaris for a long time now. No Need for NetWare anymore especially with OES Linux (Although that dependancy nightmare is sometimes not to fun , I know some die hard linux Customers hate haveing to install a gui on their linux boxes.

zypper & YaST are SUSE-centric pieces...
due to other reasons like AppArmor...

hmm yeah red-hat has yum which is really just as good as zypper. AppArmor hmm this looked really promising until Novell basically let the developers go without warning. Although I must say Selinux is also just as good if not better, will be nice to see it come to opensuse/SLE.

I don't like the look of application browser after first install of GNOME..

I still to this day cannot understand why so much energy has been to implement this. First thing I do on a opensuse desktop is change to the normal type menu.

Someone mentioned opensuse not being bleeding edge ? Well what about that new build / app Service they have implementated where you can build your own stuff build it online (even works out the dependancies for you) and share it ? That is really innovative imho. Other than a few shortcomings (which are by every distro or company its just a matter of with which bat you want to get beaten up with.) why not opensuse? stable , secure (well not openbsd but ok ) and very good repository choices for extra software

Also someone mention about debian being so **** stable , this is why Novell has their SLE line although you have to pay to get the updates but I think the desktop only costs what like 40 US $? Pretty nice Price for a very stable desktop imho.

Also forgot to say I think opensuse has a very good installer

[buckesfeld]

* GofBorg wrote, On 07/20/2009 08:31 PM:

> That ought to be the biggest steaming pile of hoo you've ever seen.

Your iManager allergy is showing, huh? :-)

Uwe

[GofBorg]

>> That ought to be the biggest steaming pile of hoo you've ever seen.
>
> Your iManager allergy is showing, huh? :-)

Yah and I took shots for it.