KDE 3.5 is like XP and KDE 4 is like Vista.

[BNG22908]

I installed Suse 11 from the live cd. It installed with KDE 4. How do I install KDE 3.5?

[Chrysantine]

Enable OSS repositories | YAST -> Software -> Install Software -> Filter / Patterns -> Choose KDE 3.5.

That's from memory - don't have it in front of me atm.

[caf4926]

Chrysantine is correct
just check
base and desktop patterns

then add the kde3 build service repo and update
Index of /repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.0

[mineer]

Since this post seems to be very opionated I thought I put in my opion too..
firstly Y are we comparing linux to windows. I moved to Linux to get away from windows stupidity that said. When it come to stability on KDE4 only people who program software that know that if at first you suceed there is a deep rooted problem just waiting to pop out and embarrass the pants off you some years later (P.S.thats what patches are for)
.....WIN XP SP1 SP2 SP3 NEED i SAY MORE

[snakedriver]

Originally Posted by Chrysantine

Enable OSS repositories | YAST -> Software -> Install Software -> Filter / Patterns -> Choose KDE 3.5.

That's from memory - don't have it in front of me atm.

And then logout; select KDE3 from the bottom left context menu & log back in -- you will be in KDE3

[quickshade]

People often think KDE 4 is bad because they don't notice the changes right away. What you don't know is that the development nightmare that was trying to fix or change anything in KDE 3. Everything was patched, hacked and just not well thought out, hell the entire sound engine was not even supported half way through its lifecycle. And the KDElibs......only 3-4 developers dared to do anything in them, the rest said it would be nuts and pointless and you were more likely to break something than fix it.

KDE 4 fixed most of these issues, but now you have to give them time to come around and show you what it can do. KDE 4.1 was the release that made KDE 4 a workable desktop. KDE 4.2 will be the desktop that will truly be finished and what KDE 4's true aim was. After that, I think it will all be icing on the cake. Personally I have 4.2 running and besides the major bugs and lack of feature completeness it is coming along nicely and I can't wait for it. This is the Desktop I want to show my friends.

As for the apps problem, I do agree that we don't have a UI thats unified, but if this is open source than you can use what every you like. Personally some programs don't work that great with the "standard UI" and just because they need some work and some help (which they are getting) doesn't mean we should say tear it out and put this standard one in there. Personally if you have a problem with it, make a request about it. Just my 2 cents.

[Zonei]

This is probably old news to many, but I guess it's also perfectly suitable to this and any other comparison of Linux (let alone DE only) to Windows.

Linux is NOT Windows

[GofBorg]

> This is probably old news to many, but I guess it's also perfectly
> suitable to this and any other comparison of Linux (let alone DE only)
> to Windows.
>
> 'Linux is NOT Windows' (http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm)

This link is too wordy and will never be read.
There is no way joe user will get past the first paragraph.
They aren't interested in why Linux isn't Windows or vice versa. They are,
however, interested in why Linux doesn't work the way Windows does without
the problems Windows has.

What they really want is a 'fixed' version of Windows, which MS will never
deliver.

In any project there is at least 10% that is never completed or fixed, and
it's that 10% which leaves us wanting more and better. I switched to Linux
quite a number of years back now and while I like it, I don't find it to be
frankly any better than Windows...just different...probably why Apple
adopted its catch phrase and not 'Think Better'

[Dexter1979]

I will probably continue to use KDE 3.x for a while still. It has nothing to do with the KDE 4 stability or eye candy but just the fact that I like my desktop icons, menu and 'conventional' way of doing things. The plasmoid dashboard thing confuses me and untill I can figure it out I won't be using it.

If someone could make a nice KDE4 course I'd take it

But I agree with the topic of this thread. When I first used Vista I was like WTF? Could and still cannot get used to it. But can't convince my wife to use Linux and the laptop has no XP hardware drivers so I'm stuck with it. Good job I have my own pc with OpenSUSE and XP

[allypink]

Just my thoughts.
Well done Suse. I have been running 10.2 for sometime and was basicly happy with the distro. RPM handling in Yast was a problem and badly broken, particularly its speed.
11.0 seems to have overcome several minor issues that bugged me. I am not a power user as such, but do acutally use my computer for work and it must be productive.
I am impressed with 11.0. Installed beautifully and recognised all my bits and pieces. I have used the online update, including the kernal update along with all the necessary non-sos updates and after rebooting all works fine. Not overly impressed with Kde4, but as far as I can make out, it's still expermental and I am (unlike some) quite happy to understand the need to get it 'out there' for comment. Does not effect me anyway as I love kde3. Very stable and reliable.
Like most, I run XP pro on another drive, but very rarely do I use it, in fact if our national tax office would port their online tax to linux I would dump XP alltogether.
Suse and linux in general has a great following of helpful folks only too willing to help and pass on information. I have had very little touble finding out information to set up linux. All you have to do is ask.
One again; thanks to the Suse team for their effort.