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    Default Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    I have been doing a lot of work with Inkscape and GIMP lately. When I try to open the image files from Nautilus, it sometimes hangs up. When that happens, the I can wait for a couple of hours for the "Nautilus Not Responding", "Force Quit or Cancel" screen to appear or turn the the power off and reboot. The keyboard and mouse are unresponsive when this happens.

    At about the same time I started having the Nautilus problem, I began to get a pop-up window in the lower right corner of my screen periodically that tells me some software cannot connect. The details of this message are:

    File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Factory/openSUSE_11.3/'

    I do not know if the Nautilus problem and the repository message are related but they both started happening early this week.

    Please Advise.

    Cordially,
    TwoHoot
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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    On 10/23/2011 05:06 PM, TwoHoot wrote:
    >
    > I have been doing a lot of work with Inkscape and GIMP lately. When I
    > try to open the image files form Nautilus, it _sometimes_ hangs up. When
    > that happens, the I can wait for a couple of hours for the "Nautilus Not
    > Responding", "Force Quit or Cancel" screen to appear or turn the the
    > power off and reboot. The keyboard and mouse are unresponsive when this
    > happens.
    >
    > At about the same time I started having the Nautilus problem, I began
    > to get a pop-up window in the lower right corner of my screen
    > periodically that tells me some software cannot connect. The details of
    > this message are:
    >
    > File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
    > 'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Factory/openSUSE_11.3/'
    >
    > I do not know if the Nautilus problem and the repository message arer
    > related but they both started happening early this week.
    >
    > Please Advise.
    >
    > Cordially,
    > TwoHoot
    >
    >

    find the software updaters icon in the tray, right click it and select
    to disable (i don't know what yours will say, maybe disable, maybe
    'never update' maybe 'check only' and use YaST > Online Updater once a
    week or so instead.....that should take care of the
    "/repodata/repomd.xml' not found" problem..

    now the nautilus problem...hmmmm, is your disk full? or maybe ... hmmmm,
    please show us the terminal output from

    Code:
    df -h
    cat /proc/partitions
    cat /etc/fstab
    zypper lr -d
    copy/paste the output back to this thread using the instructions here:
    http://goo.gl/i3wnr

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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    Code:
    jch@linux-7v61:~> 
    jch@linux-7v61:~> df -h
    Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sda2              15G   12G  2.0G  86% /
    devtmpfs              466M  220K  466M   1% /dev
    tmpfs                 467M  304K  467M   1% /dev/shm
    /dev/sda3              21G  9.6G   11G  49% /home
    /dev/sdb1             296G   15G  267G   6% /media/9bc17414-31cf-4fb6-b676-59838e1d61f2
    /dev/sdb2             166G  113G   53G  69% /media/NTFS
    jch@linux-7v61:~> cat /proc/partitions
    major minor  #blocks  name
    
       8        0   39082680 sda
       8        1    1831378 sda1
       8        2   15060937 sda2
       8        3   22185765 sda3
       8       16  488386584 sdb
       8       17  314576766 sdb1
       8       18  173807235 sdb2
    jch@linux-7v61:~> cat /etc/fstab
    /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_WDC_WD400BB-00AWD-WMA6R2345472-part1 swap                 swap       defaults              0 0
    /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_WDC_WD400BB-00AWD-WMA6R2345472-part2 /                    ext3       acl,user_xattr        1 1
    /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_WDC_WD400BB-00AWD-WMA6R2345472-part3 /home                ext3       acl,user_xattr        1 2
    proc                 /proc                proc       defaults              0 0
    sysfs                /sys                 sysfs      noauto                0 0
    debugfs              /sys/kernel/debug    debugfs    noauto                0 0
    usbfs                /proc/bus/usb        usbfs      noauto                0 0
    devpts               /dev/pts             devpts     mode=0620,gid=5       0 0
    jch@linux-7v61:~> zypper lr -d
    # | Alias                             | Name                              | Enabled | Refresh | Priority | Type   | URI                                                                                            | Service
    --+-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+---------+---------+----------+--------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+--------
    1 | GNOME:Factory                     | GNOME:Factory                     | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Factory/openSUSE_11.3/                        |        
    2 | home:dimstar:GNOME:Backports:2.32 | home:dimstar:GNOME:Backports:2.32 | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dimstar:/GNOME:/Backports:/2.32/openSUSE_11.3/ |        
    3 | home:vodoo                        | home:vodoo                        | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vodoo/openSUSE_11.3/                           |        
    4 | openSUSE-11.3 11.3-1.82           | openSUSE-11.3 11.3-1.82           | Yes     | No      |   99     | yast2  | cd:///?devices=/dev/sr0                                                                        |        
    5 | repo-debug                        | openSUSE-11.3-Debug               | No      | Yes     |   99     | NONE   | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/distribution/11.3/repo/oss/                                 |        
    6 | repo-non-oss                      | openSUSE-11.3-Non-Oss             | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3/repo/non-oss/                                   |        
    7 | repo-oss                          | openSUSE-11.3-Oss                 | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3/repo/oss/                                       |        
    8 | repo-source                       | openSUSE-11.3-Source              | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | yast2  | http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/11.3/repo/oss/                                |        
    9 | repo-update                       | openSUSE-11.3-Update              | Yes     | Yes     |   99     | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/                                                      |        
    jch@linux-7v61:~>
    The video would not play without another plug-in so I just guessed and copied the code between the tags. Hope this is what you need.
    Cordially,
    TwoHoot
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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    On 10/23/2011 07:36 PM, TwoHoot wrote:

    > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    > /dev/sda2 15G 12G 2.0G 86% /
    > devtmpfs 466M 220K 466M 1% /dev
    > tmpfs 467M 304K 467M 1% /dev/shm
    > /dev/sda3 21G 9.6G 11G 49% /home
    > /dev/sdb1 296G 15G 267G 6% /media/9bc17414-31cf-4fb6-b676-59838e1d61f2
    > /dev/sdb2 166G 113G 53G 69% /media/NTFS


    ok, it is not a full disk problem....but, there is no way for me to know
    what might have been installed from any of these three repos which may
    not mesh well with Nautilus:

    > # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh | Priority | Type | URI
    > --+-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+---------+---------+----------+--------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    > 1 | GNOME:Factory | GNOME:Factory | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...openSUSE_11.3/
    > 2 | home:dimstar:GNOME:Backports:2.32 | home:dimstar:GNOME:Backports:2.32 | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...openSUSE_11.3/
    > 3 | home:vodoo | home:vodoo | Yes | Yes | 99 | rpm-md | http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...openSUSE_11.3/



    you might want to consider going back to a more vanilla system....or,
    maybe consider upgrading to 11.4, well 11.3 reaches end of life in 85
    days so you will have to do something soon..

    you may want to follow the instructions in one of these to upgrade to
    11.4: http://tinyurl.com/35p966c or http://tinyurl.com/6kvoflv

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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    Thank you for your help.

    I had thought it might be a memory problem since some of the filters in Inkscape and GIMP are very memory intensive. Is that possible?

    You mentioned "going back to a more vanilla system". What would that entail? I like simple but also like to try a lot of new things. That means that a lot of stuff I never use accumulates on my computer. Do you mean removing some of the features and applications I no longer use?

    I am downloading 11.4 as we speak which is why the large external drive is currently connected to this computer. I had decided to wait 24 days to upgrade to 12.1, skipping 11.4 all together. The problem with Nautilus made me decide to go with 11.4 to see if that might solve the problem. What do you think is best?

    The Nautilus glitch bothers me a lot because file system problems tend to get worse and lead to loss of data. (I do have a recent full backup). Are my concerns justified?

    Again, thank you for your help and prompt replies.

    Cordially,
    TwoHoot
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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    On 10/23/2011 08:56 PM, TwoHoot wrote:
    >
    > Thank you for your help.
    >
    > I had thought it might be a memory problem since some of the filters in
    > Inkscape and GIMP are very memory intensive. Is that possible?


    Linux handles memory very well usually and i wouldn't anticipate it not
    being able to keep Nautilus working while under pressure..

    you can always launch a terminal with top and watch the memory use while
    Inkscape and GIMP are running, and throw in a Nautilus..



    > You mentioned "going back to a more vanilla system". What would that
    > entail?


    well, do you know what Factory is? it is where the _next_ version of
    openSUSE lives _while_ it is being worked on....

    it is *experimental* software and not only that it is *moving* all the
    time when it is being developed....at any second you might download the
    most wonderful software ever, and the next minute the worse!!

    so, i meant to follow the guide in the paragraph beginning with
    "IMPORTANT!" in http://tinyurl.com/33qc9vu and flush out all the
    experimental stuff..

    > I like simple but also like to try a lot of new things. That
    > means that a lot of stuff I never use accumulates on my computer. Do you
    > mean removing some of the features and applications I no longer use?


    trying a lot of stuff from the RIGHT places is ok....but, when you load
    in factory you are on your own.


    > I am downloading 11.4 as we speak which is why the large external drive
    > is currently connected to this computer. I had decided to wait 24 days
    > to upgrade to 12.1, skipping 11.4 all together. The problem with
    > Nautilus made me decide to go with 11.4 to see if that might solve the
    > problem. What do you think is best?


    well, it depends on what you wanna do! first, you need to know that you
    cannot 'upgrade' from 11.3 to 12.1....now upgrade is that process where
    the system is changed out with new software but the need to reinstall
    all of the applications is avoided..

    that is to say, if you want to move from 11.3 to 12.1 you _must_ plan
    format the root directory and do a fresh install of 12.1 _and_ all the
    applications you want to have with it..

    however, if you follow either of the two approved, supported upgrade
    paths http://tinyurl.com/35p966c or http://tinyurl.com/6kvoflv to 12.1
    you _MUST_ upgrade to 11.3, and _then_ upgrade to 12.1, and even doing
    it that way might have troubles...

    you asked so i tell you what i think is best: i never upgrade, i always
    do a complete format and fresh install AFTER saving all of my data and
    settings to a nice safe place off machine......so i

    -save data/settings
    -do the format/install
    -add data to the new install
    -add only those applications i KNOW i will use

    because, that way all of those i 'tried' once or twice and never really
    used don't hang around....if in six months i need to install something i
    had two years ago but used once, i just do it...

    > The Nautilus glitch bothers me a lot because file system problems tend
    > to get worse and lead to loss of data. (I do have a recent full backup).
    > Are my concerns justified?


    well, yes and no! if the "file system problems" are due to hard drive
    problems, then YES: if you are having drive problems you can bet they
    will get worse AND probably cause data loss..

    but, if the "file system problems" is due to some problem YOU are
    introducing (like maybe you installed a Factory copy of Nautilus--and,
    _it_ is broken, then NO: that won't get worse unless you continue to
    poison your system..


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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD View Post
    On 10/23/2011 08:56 PM, TwoHoot wrote:
    > You mentioned "going back to a more vanilla system". What would that
    > entail?


    well, do you know what Factory is? it is where the _next_ version of
    openSUSE lives _while_ it is being worked on....

    it is *experimental* software and not only that it is *moving* all the
    time when it is being developed....at any second you might download the
    most wonderful software ever, and the next minute the worse!!

    so, i meant to follow the guide in the paragraph beginning with
    "IMPORTANT!" in NEW Users - openSUSE Pre-install (general) and flush out all the
    experimental stuff..
    Thank you for this information. I did not know what FACTORY was nor do I have any idea how it got in my repository list. I removed it and several other unknown repositories and added Packman as suggested. Now there are only the 4 repositories you recommended.

    Does this alone "flush out all the experimental stuff" or do I need to reinstall everything?

    openSUSE is such a trouble free OS that it is easy to forget about being careful. That is the highest compliment I can think of for an operating system.

    Cordially,
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    On 10/24/2011 12:46 AM, TwoHoot wrote:
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    > Does this alone "flush out all the experimental stuff" or do I need to
    > reinstall everything?


    don't reinstall, instead let zypper go through and set you up, do each
    of these, and wait for all the activity to cease, and the prompt
    return....some, may be very quick, some not...so be patient:

    Code:
    su -		<don't miss the '-', and give root password when asked
    zypper clean -a
    zypper ref
    zypper dup
    when done cross your fingers and try nautilus...

    cleaning up may not fix the problem, but it will remove the possibility
    that nautilus was corrupted or otherwise bothered by a bad software mix..

    if Nautilus remains broken i'd next try *renaming* its configuration
    settings...i'm not a gnome user so i'm not sure where that lives..but i
    _guess_ in /home/[yourID]/.nautilus (or maybe
    /home/[yourID]/.gnome/[something]/nautilus) wherever it is [maybe a
    gnome user will speak up!] so, depending on WHERE the config file is, do
    something like this:

    - shutdown Nautilus
    - as yourself (not root) in a terminal do
    Code:
    mv /home/[yourID]/[whatever]nautilus /home/[yourID]/[whatever]nautilus-OLD
    then (with no error message) launch Nautilus and have a look and see if
    the _sometimes_ problem still remains..

    oh: read my sig's caveat and wait for that Gnome guru to say: Ok! (or
    offer a better plan)

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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    Again, Thank you for the reply and advice.

    I think I will just do a new install upgrade to 11.4 if I can get a download where the md5sums check out. (see openSUSE 11.4 download errors in the Install/Boot/Login forum)

    Cordially,
    TwoHoot
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    Default Re: Nautilus Hangs, Locks system

    DenverD - I am afraid to do the zypper clean on this computer. I will try it on my other computer. Also, I want to go through the man pages so I at least have some idea what I am doing.

    I believe your caveat. I have eagerly opened my terminal, copied in commands as su and watched the whole thing go into a death spiral too many times in the past. That is why I have a second computer to try this stuff. I mean no disrespect toward you and will follow up on your advice when I have more time.

    The Nautilus problem seems to occur ONLY when I have Inkscape and GIMP running and try to open another image. Hopefully, it will not crash the system before I move on to 12.1 and a larger hard drive on this computer.

    I visited your website and enjoyed it. The Texas flag did surprise me though. Denver, Hope, Denmark, Greenland, Air Force, B-52 and ... Texas? Love it! You are living an interesting life.

    Cordially,
    TwoHoot
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