OK, so I actually tried to login to the web forums.
I’m at <https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up> and Firefox
apparently knows my username and password, which is quite likely because
I have logged in successfully before. So I click on ‘login’ and:
- nothing much happens for a while, and then
- the screen doesn’t change at all
The difference between those two statements is that in between my
browser made five successful GET requests, for auth-up, wiki.css,
superstats.js, s24324995755662, and s24324995755662 (with various
parameters)
So, and pardon my shouting, WHY DID NOTHING CHANGE ON SCREEN?
What kind of idiot designs a user interface that provides no feedback?
It appears I’m not logged in. OK, WHY am I not logged in? What went
wrong? Is it too much to give me a hint as to what I need to do to fix
whatever the problem is?
It all works just fine and BTW
We don’t like to refer to people as Idiots, so I’ll restrain myself in your case too.
The Forum Interface is put together by Kim
The login is here: openSUSE: Login
caf4926 wrote:
> It all works just fine and BTW
> We don’t like to refer to people as Idiots, so I’ll restrain myself in
> your case too.
>
> The Forum Interface is put together by Kim
>
> The login is here: 'openSUSE: Login
> ’ (http://forums.opensuse.org/login/icslogin.php?destination=/)
Think about it. If it all worked just fine I wouldn’t have written my
post, would I?
Please read my post again, assume that I did actually write what
happened, and perhaps help me and others by trying to explain it?
You quoted this
https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up
It’s not correct.
Did you try the link I posted?
caf4926 wrote:
> You quoted this
> https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up
> It’s not correct.
>
> Did you try the link I posted?
I quoted that because I cut it out of my browser. That’s where the login
process took me. If it’s not correct then the login process is broken,
which is what I said.
On 08/02/2011 11:50 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> I’m at <https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up>
i don’t know how you got to there?? here is what happens here (using
11.4/kde4.6/ff5.0):
-go to http://forums.opensuse.org
-click “Login” (upper right, below “Advanced Search” blank
-page cycles to
<https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/?“http://forums.opensuse.org/login/icslogin.php?destination=/”>
-and (in my case, since i use KWallet) the Username and Password fields
are filled in…
-click on “Login”
-page cycles to http://forums.opensuse.org/ and says “Welcome DenverD”
i wonder, do you have javascript enabled? or maybe some ‘strange’ ff
add-ons (mine listed in sig)
–
DD -Software-
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!
DenverD wrote:
> On 08/02/2011 11:50 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> I’m at <https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up>
>
> i don’t know how you got to there?? here is what happens here (using
> 11.4/kde4.6/ff5.0):
>
> -go to http://forums.opensuse.org
Yes
> -click “Login” (upper right, below “Advanced Search” blank
> -page cycles to
> <https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/?“http://forums.opensuse.org/login/icslogin.php?destination=/”>
Yes
> -and (in my case, since i use KWallet) the Username and Password fields
> are filled in…
I’m not using kwallet but firefox fills in the username & password
> -click on “Login”
Yes
> -page cycles to http://forums.opensuse.org/ and says “Welcome DenverD”
No, page cycles to https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up and the
screen stays exactly as before
> i wonder, do you have javascript enabled? or maybe some ‘strange’ ff
> add-ons (mine listed in sig)
It doesn’t appear to matter whether js is enabled or not; I get the same
result. I don’t have ‘strange’ add-ons. Perhaps I’ll try disabling the
ones I do have.
Your sig just says:
DD -Software-
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!
On 08/02/2011 03:46 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> No, page cycles to https://forums.opensuse.org/ICSLogin/auth-up and the
> screen stays exactly as before
very strange…ah, maybe it is your ff cookies…try dumping all
opensuse.org & novell.com cookies
ff Menu > Edit > Preferences > Privacy > Remove individual cookies
> Your sig just says:
> DD -Software-
yep, the link takes you to a comprehensive list of software installed…
btw, i have seen a lot of irritating stuff out of the web forum
software, but never what you reported…so ??? (well! don’t take that to
mean i believe you didn’t see what you did see!)
–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!
DenverD wrote:
> very strange…ah, maybe it is your ff cookies…try dumping all
> opensuse.org & novell.com cookies
I’ll try it tonight.
BTW, I wonder what opensuse is doing about the requirement not to serve
me (or any other UK citizen) with any cookies without asking my explicit
permission first 
(I wish our government would pass laws about spam and javascript instead
of silly ones about cookies)
> yep, the link takes you to a comprehensive list of software installed…
ah, right.
On 08/02/2011 04:15 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> BTW, I wonder what opensuse is doing about the requirement not to serve
> me (or any other UK citizen) with any cookies without asking my explicit
> permission first 
you make me laugh–because i thought it was only the USA’s law makers
who think they can ‘control’ the internet by passing local laws…
hmmm, so the law is the forums must ask permission to serve you milk
and cookies?
is it not enough to inform you, and let you decided if the Terms &
Conditions are ok with you or not?
now, i know that just like me you read every word, including the part
By having an openSUSE Account (also known as a Novell ID), you agree to
the following Terms and Conditions: … openSUSE Forums uses cookies to
store information on your local computer. These cookies do not contain
any tracking information or personal data, and only serve to enhance
your use of the forums.
> (I wish our government would pass laws about spam and javascript instead
> of silly ones about cookies)
yep, me too…but, most governments are mostly cyber-clueless and just
now grappling with the net problems which sprang up 15 or more years ago…
–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!
DenverD wrote:
> you make me laugh–because i thought it was only the USA’s law makers
> who think they can ‘control’ the internet by passing local laws…
No, the EU feels it is grand enough to do the same.
> hmmm, so the law is the forums must ask permission to serve you milk
> and cookies?
>
> is it not enough to inform you, and let you decided if the Terms &
> Conditions are ok with you or not?
No, it has to be explicit. And as some have found, it becomes a little
irritating since the site has no way to remember whether they asked you
the question before (since they can’t leave a cookie without your
permission), so they have to ask the question every time you visit.
Makes bookmarking or linking to internal pages interesting too.
Everybody’s waiting to see what happens with google analytics, since
that’s now technically illegal.
Dave Howorth wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
>> very strange…ah, maybe it is your ff cookies…try dumping all
>> opensuse.org & novell.com cookies
>
> I’ll try it tonight.
Yesterday evening it got to be tonight. But deleting all the cookies
makes no difference. Symptoms are unchanged.
On 08/05/2011 11:18 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Yesterday evening it got to be tonight. But deleting all the cookies
> makes no difference. Symptoms are unchanged.
ok, since you already know i have no idea, and am just thinking [sic]
out loud, maybe:
-did we look at disabling all add-ons?
-have we looked at about:config to see if any “user set” configs might
be the devil?
-did we use YaST/zypper to remove/replace firefox
-did we shutdown firefox and then rename ~/.mozilla
-see how Opera or Konqueror reacts…
-use YaST to make a new test user, log out and then in as the new
user…log into the openSUSE side FIRST…does Firefox still get lost?
if you are successful on the openSUSE side, can you then also get to
novell forums? [maybe this is another iChain problem]
i sure hope ‘we’ solve this soon because it makes my head hurt.
–
DD
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!
On 08/05/2011 12:30 PM, DenverD wrote:
> am just thinking
AND, i should’a added a note: I’m sure you have already done all of the
things i thought about, or might ever think about…i sure wasn’t
pretending i thought i could think better than you have already thought.
–
DD
Having a long-standing condition of cookie paranoia, I found that the Firefox option of “Accept Cookies …” with the option of “Ask every time” allowed me to select or reject cookies. As a result, I developed a fairly robust set of exceptions (“Allow”, “Session”, “Block” and “Temporary”). Using the Firefox addon “CookieSafe (FF4 Compatible)”, I then felt comfortable to setting the Firefox cookie default option to “until I close Firefox” (aka “Session”), whilst retaining all of the options for known cookies.
As that set of exceptions became somewhat large, I then set about “normalizing” the cookie exceptions. Do bear in mind that the creator of a cookie can partially override a cookie’s permissions: an “Allowed” (aka permanent) cookie can be changed to session. It appears that some of the “.opensuse.org” cookies are treated thusly.
Of course, there are websites that malfunction when cookies are blocked, acting as though nothing has changed on the display. Well-constructed sites will inform the user as to absence of the usual suspects (Flash, Javascript and cookie permissions).
Much “Spam” originates from commercial marketers whose influence over lawmakers is much discussed, although this forum is, perhaps, not the best place for such dialog. As to Javascript, this is a multi-edge sword: overused, misused and abused. Personally, I rely on (and strongly recommend) NoScript in Firefox. Without NoScript, I would be inclined to use Opera instead of Firefox, as the latter has become much more than the Firefox 2 (yes, … FF 2) that I used for a long time.