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    Default Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    I live in the USA (east coast), and I'd like to buy a laptop that does not come with windows. I don't want them to simply remove windows before I buy it; I don't want any of my money to go to Microsoft. I tried Newegg.com, and their customer support says they don't do that anymore. I tried some other websites, but they're much more expensive than Newegg. Is there any place out there that sells laptops that aren't chained to Microsoft?

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    dan8029 wrote:
    > I live in the USA (east coast), and I'd like to buy a laptop that does
    > not come with windows.


    Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo and other "big names" sell machines with Linux
    installed (though you usually have to really hunt on their web sites
    to find them...AND, they will not be the most inexpensive models)

    additionally, these companies have linux laptops, [NOTE: i am in no
    way connected with any of these and do not recommend any over another]:

    http://www.linuxcertified.com/
    http://www.system76.com/
    http://www.emperorlinux.com/
    http://zareason.com/shop/home.php?cat=250
    [and there are others, as you find them let me know, here]

    more info:
    http://mcelrath.org/laptops.html
    http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/


    > Is there any place out there that sells laptops that aren't
    > chained to Microsoft?


    as you can see there are plenty of places...however, you won't find
    many places where the least expensive come with anything other than
    Redmond inside...why? because they load them up with trial-ware, and
    every time someone clicks to buy (say) M$-Office the hardware maker
    gets a fat commission....something not likely to happen if it is pure
    Linux..

    so, remember: if you have to pay more it is becuase the maker won't
    get to reap any profit from the ****-ware..

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    Thank you, sir. That's some helpful info. I don't mind paying more, as long as none of my money goes to Microsoft. It's a matter of principle. Freedom first.

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    dan8029 wrote:
    > Thank you, sir. That's some helpful info. I don't mind paying more, as
    > long as none of my money goes to Microsoft. It's a matter of principle.
    > Freedom first.
    >
    >

    well, i feel the same way....but, it is not so easy to be _sure_ M$
    doesn't get a cut....

    for example i've heard (but have not been able to confirm--as these
    deals are all secret) that hardware makers/sellers _like_ DELL have
    long standing contracts with the Dark Side specifying that each *and*
    every machine produced _may_ have Redmond installed at a flat rate of
    (say) $50 per machine...whether it is actually installed or not..

    in that case the DELL born with SLED would still put $50 in the M$
    Sinkhole...

    do _all_ the other makers get the per license cost down by also paying
    Mr. Bill to not install? i do not know..

    do the small vendors specializing in Linux machines get parts and
    assembly them themselves *or* do they buy from no-name makers who also
    pay the Devil per machine delivered, loaded or not? i don't know that
    either..

    one thing i do know is that you can often find very similar machines
    and the one with Windoz will be less expensive--because the ****-ware
    sales expected from those will more than pay the very low Win license
    cost negotiated...making selling a machine with a zero cost Linux
    actually cost more to produce since the income from trial-ware won't
    be there to drive down the manufacturing cost..

    perverted but true.

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    Please Denver, keep that FUD for yourself. You are creating such a small black and white world with your "Dark Sides", "Devils" etc. - it is really ridiculous.

    Trialware preinstalled within a Windows is software by non-Microsoft parties like Avira, Kasperky and the like, Microsoft does not get a penny from that.

    You have this strange OS/2-trauma, which makes you permanently *care* for Microsoft, spread "facts" which you can not show any evidence for - for me it tastes like spam. No valid information at all - most of us do know *real* facts about Microsoft, it should be clear that many many of their practises are at least questionable and often plain dirty. Adding "heard of's" to that is unnecessary and wrong - Microsoft does that with Linux quite a lot, we should boycott that by not participating in that game. Microsoft is trying to compete Linux / unixoid systems and you accept their rules, while actually there is no competition going on.

    Sorry for this OT. DenverD / palladium is one of the top-posters here, and sometimes I feel like at least a third of his contributions here are aiming to bash an operating system we have nothing to do with.

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    You can always buy the make and model that you really want and then call customer service and have them send you a check for not using the included OS. I have many friends that make this a usual practice.Though it has not been my primary OS in 6 years, I have to use Windows for work and school so it's never bothered me.

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:06:01 +0000, gropiuskalle wrote:

    > Sorry for this OT.


    Both of you just walk away from it. Let's keep it from getting personal.

    Thanks,

    Jim

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    What Denver said is not Fud and is perfectly logical. GNU/Linux is about freedom, and giving money to an organization that opposes freedom runs contrary to my principles.

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    I would not disagree with that, but it is not the topic here.

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    Default Re: Can I buy a laptop without windows in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverD
    i almost always "walk away" from moderator-wanna-be posts...not that
    s/he is..
    That is correct, I am not a "wanna-be-moderator".

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