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    Default web v nntp making me crazy

    smilies and i suppose some/all of the web side's text decorations (bold,
    underline, etc) come across in nntp in their non-graphical form..

    i wanted to post to the "NNTP test thread" using the web interface a message to
    learn how the items would look, comparing the message in nntp vs on the web..

    here is what i did, and why i am now crazy:

    - used the search function seeking "nntp test"

    - which found a thread in General Chit-Chat beginning with the subject of "How
    could this be used?" 10-Jun-2008....that thread mysteriously gets a new subject
    "Test" on 10 July, and another "NNTP test thread" 18-Jun-2008..

    ok, so i have found the correct test thread to post to...and go down and click
    on the bottom post "69_rs_ss Re: testing... 23-Jun-2008, 09:17 PM" and make a
    quick (and very short) reply...i then click to see my post DenverD Re: "How
    could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM" and instead of showing it to me it shows me
    the root post from 10-Jun-2008 Why??

    fact is, it seems the web interface has EATEN my post...it is listed in the
    thread's tree view, but can't be seen WHY??

    ok, so i figure maybe i should pick one of the newer posts to reply to, and pick
    "vendion Re: NNTP test thread 06-Aug-2008, 03:59 PM" and it TOO takes me back
    to the root "How could this be used?" 10-Jun-2008..


    WHAT am i doing wrong...there appears to be a LONG thread but none of the
    postings can be viewed...and, when i try to post to the root the interface
    accepts it, and lists it...but won't let me see it..???

    oh on!! now i just went to the nntp side and see that in fact, my posting
    _shows_ there, and can be read....perhaps firefox is teasing me? i mean, i see
    "DenverD Re: How could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM" in the web interface's
    tree view...and, the subject appears to be a link, and in fact is a link to
    http://forums.opensuse.org/general-c...ml#post1857481
    which, if i shove THAT link into Konqueror i can see my post....BUT, if i click
    on the subject line itself in FF it goes to that URL but STILL i only see the
    root post...not my own??

    is this a firefox fault or a web forum interface fault?


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    DenverD wrote:
    > is this a firefox fault or a web forum interface fault?


    apparently it is not just a firefox fault, because clicking on the tree view's
    link to "DenverD Re: How could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM" again shows only
    the threads originating message (Guest How could this be used? 10-Jun-2008,
    11:24 AM)

    crazy2

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    Default Re: web v nntp making me crazy

    DenverD wrote:
    > DenverD wrote:
    >> is this a firefox fault or a web forum interface fault?

    >
    > apparently it is not just a firefox fault, because clicking on the tree view's
    > link to "DenverD Re: How could this be used? Today, 08:36 AM" again shows only
    > the threads originating message (Guest How could this be used? 10-Jun-2008,
    > 11:24 AM)
    >
    > crazy2
    >

    In the web interface, what setting are you using for displaying threads?
    Check under User Control Panel > Edit Options > Thread Display Options
    and see if it is set to Linear, Threaded or Hybrid.

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    > In the web interface, what setting are you using for displaying threads?
    > Check under User Control Panel > Edit Options > Thread Display Options
    > and see if it is set to Linear, Threaded or Hybrid.


    it is set to "Threaded", and other display options are
    "Show 5 of posts per page", "Show thread from last week", "Show
    Signatures", "Show Avatars" and "Show Images"..

    as far as i know those are the defaults...and, the forum skin is
    openSUSE Default..

    thank you for trying to help..

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    Default Re: web v nntp making me crazy

    DenverD wrote:
    >> In the web interface, what setting are you using for displaying threads?
    >> Check under User Control Panel > Edit Options > Thread Display Options
    >> and see if it is set to Linear, Threaded or Hybrid.

    >
    > it is set to "Threaded", and other display options are
    > "Show 5 of posts per page", "Show thread from last week", "Show
    > Signatures", "Show Avatars" and "Show Images"..
    >
    > as far as i know those are the defaults...and, the forum skin is
    > openSUSE Default..
    >
    > thank you for trying to help..
    >

    I actually forget which is set to default. I have noticed though that
    for some reason on the larger threads, if you are using the threaded
    mode it for some reason pulls the original post when you are trying to
    reply to a child post in the thread. I'm going to try and play a little
    in the web side and talk to some of the other staff and see if anyone
    has figured out why that happens. I'll let you know what I find out.

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    > I'll let you know what I find out.

    thanks, because from here it seems impossible..

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    Default Re: web v nntp making me crazy

    smilies and i suppose some/all of the web side's text decorations (bold,
    underline, etc) come across in nntp in their non-graphical form..
    That depends on your NNTP reader and how it interprets the characters. If
    your reader doesn't recognize smilies and replace them with a graphic, you
    will see the text. Readers like Knode have the ability to recognize the
    emoticons and show graphics. Either way, it's not a big deal as graphic or
    text, it's recognizable as the same thing.

    fact is, it seems the web interface has EATEN my post...it is listed in the
    thread's tree view, but can't be seen  WHY??
    That's a bug in vBSEO that hasn't been addressed by the developers yet.
    Linear is the default display mode for these forums and all messages show
    in linear mode. When you view in threaded or hybrid mode, sometimes
    messages in deep threads don't show. To get around this, change your
    viewign mode. Doesn't matter from what to what, just change it. Once you
    do that you should be able to access all the messages. Like I said, it's a
    bug that's hopefully being addressed. In the meantime, I would suggest
    sticking with the default viewing mode of linear. If you really want
    threaded mode, just be aware of that gotcha on deep threads and what you
    need to do to get around it.

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    Default Re: web v nntp making me crazy

    Quote Originally Posted by kgroneman View Post
    That's a bug in vBSEO that hasn't been addressed by the developers yet. Linear is the default display mode for these forums and all messages show in linear mode. When you view in threaded or hybrid mode, sometimes messages in deep threads don't show. To get around this, change your viewing mode. Doesn't matter from what to what, just change it. Once you do that you should be able to access all the messages. Like I said, it's a
    bug that's hopefully being addressed. In the meantime, I would suggest sticking with the default viewing mode of linear. If you really want threaded mode, just be aware of that gotcha on deep threads and what you need to do to get around it.
    We got an update an it *appears* this issue is fixed. At least in my quick tests I did. If anyone runs into this problem again, let me know. Thanks.
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