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    Hi everyone

    What is basic difference Network Manager and ifup.

    sureshl

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    Ease of use? Requirement of a GUI? Ability to work with wireless?

    Good luck.





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    | What is basic difference Network Manager and ifup.
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    | sureshl
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    Default Re: Network Manager vs ifup

    It's sad that networkmanager cannot deal with old modem(56k) connection.
    By the way, is kinternet able to deal with wifi connections ?

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    Default Re: Network Manager vs ifup

    The big difference in opensuse 11 is that ifup actually does what you request it to do (static IP or DHCP) and networkmanager in suse 11 doesn't work at all.

    If you select Networkmanager as network setup in yast then it doesn't matter which setup you chose you will boot with no network and have to activate the network manually each time you start the pc.

    At least in my case and after searching arround on the net I came to the conslusion that I'm not the only one.

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    > The big difference in opensuse 11 is that ifup actually does what you
    > request it to do (static IP or DHCP) and networkmanager in suse 11
    > doesn't work at all.
    >
    > If you select Networkmanager as network setup in yast then it doesn't
    > matter which setup you chose you will boot with no network and have to
    > activate the network manually each time you start the pc.
    >
    > At least in my case and after searching arround on the net I came to
    > the conslusion that I'm not the only one.


    Yep. I think there should be a sticky about it.
    If for nothing else than as starter point for people
    where it absolutely doesn't work for them.


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    Default Re: Network Manager vs ifup

    On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:06:03 GMT
    Christophe deR <Christophe_deR@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >
    > It's sad that networkmanager cannot deal with old modem(56k)
    > connection.
    > By the way, is kinternet able to deal with wifi connections ?
    >
    >


    Works fine with it, just need to configure the modem properly, make sure it
    connects when 'ifup'd manually, then allow network-manager to control it.
    Never had a problem with it, even loaned my USR Courier (LOVE that modem!) to
    a friend to keep him online during a local backhoe incident.

    network-manager just sees it as another network device, works with dial-up,
    wired, wireless... I imagine you could get it working with pan0 too if you
    tried. I've had it working with usb networking myself.

    Loni
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    Default Re: Network Manager vs ifup

    On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 05:46 +0000, sureshmenon wrote:
    > Hi everyone
    >
    > What is basic difference Network Manager and ifup.
    >
    > sureshl
    >
    >


    My take... if-up is a set of scripts, sometimes complicated
    and often times screwed up by those <cough> that fix
    things as we go from release to release.

    NetworkManager is lord god of Novell and can do no wrong.
    It's also a very bug ridden piece of software that SEGVs
    if you sneeze. It handles about .. I'd say 30% of
    the functionality of if-up.. truth is, I can't say for
    sure, because it's a freakin huge code menagerie instead
    of easy to view/change scripts.



    Sorry about the rant. I'm tempted to rewrite the if-up
    stuff though... I don't think anyone cares about it
    right now... everyone is enamored by NetworkManager.

    I'm not looking forward to SLES 11.



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    Default Re: Network Manager vs ifup

    NetworkManager works well. I found issues with knetworkmanager in KDE, and in fairness to the devs, NetworkManager was developed in conjunction with the gnome client, but the KDE devs had to play catchup after it was released in it's latest version (which totally broke compatibility with the version in 10.3).

    I added the KDE backports repo, and use the newer version of knetworkmanager from there. Solved all of the issues I had; it always recognizes my networks and attaches without being forced to, it re-attaches after suspend, and it doesn't crash. Really, I couldn't ask for anything more...

    If you're using KDE, give it a try.

    Just my 2c...

    Cheers,
    KV

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    Default Re: Network Manager vs ifup

    On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:06:03 GMT
    else where <else_where@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

    >
    > NetworkManager works well. I found issues with knetworkmanager in KDE,
    > and in fairness to the devs, NetworkManager was developed in
    > conjunction with the gnome client, but the KDE devs had to play catchup
    > after it was released in it's latest version (which totally broke
    > compatibility with the version in 10.3).
    >
    > I added the KDE backports repo, and use the newer version of
    > knetworkmanager from there. Solved all of the issues I had; it always
    > recognizes my networks and attaches without being forced to, it
    > re-attaches after suspend, and it doesn't crash. Really, I couldn't
    > ask for anything more...
    >
    > If you're using KDE, give it a try.
    >
    > Just my 2c...
    >
    > Cheers,
    > KV
    >
    >


    Thank you for that information. VERY helpful.

    Loni.

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