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    Hi Kim
    Any ideas as to why I see this in my newsreader, looks fine on the web
    page of course?

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    Malcolm <malcolm_nospamlewis@bellsouth.net> expounded:
    > Hi Kim
    > Any ideas as to why I see this in my newsreader, looks fine on the web
    > page of course?


    > I'm&#160;sure&#160;that&#160;some&#160;skilled&#160;packager&#160;must&#160;rebuilt&#160;freetype2&#160;library&#160;
    > with&#160;subpixel&#160;hinting&#160;support...&#160;Maybe&#160;Packman&#160;or&#160;former&#160;Suse&#160;Guru
    > guys&#160;give&#160;us&#160;this&#160;patched&#160;library&#160;into&#160;repos.


    > http://forums.opensuse.org/applicati...e-3-5-9-a.html


    I'm no Kim, but it looks to me like the web -> nntp gateway is
    mistranslating some characters.

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    Malcolm,

    FYI: I've asked Kim to check into this.


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    Default Re: Ping Kim Groneman

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:24:47 GMT
    Niclas Ekstedt <nekstedt@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:

    > Malcolm,
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    > FYI: I've asked Kim to check into this.
    >
    >

    Hi Niclas
    Thanks for that :-)

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    > Any ideas as to why I see this in my newsreader, looks fine on the web
    > page of course?



    what news reader, code page, etc?

    here, using Thunderbird [version 2.0.0.14 (20080421]) and ISO-8859-15
    (in and out) i get none of those strange characters..

    DenverD

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    On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:38:38 GMT
    DenverD <spam.trap@Texan.dk> wrote:

    > > Any ideas as to why I see this in my newsreader, looks fine on the
    > > web page of course?

    >
    >
    > what news reader, code page, etc?
    >
    > here, using Thunderbird [version 2.0.0.14 (20080421]) and ISO-8859-15
    > (in and out) i get none of those strange characters..
    >
    > DenverD

    Hi
    I use Claws Mail 3.4.0 (GTK+ 2.8.11; x86_64-suse-linux-gnu), encoding
    is set to auto and headers show text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

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    Default Re: Ping Kim Groneman

    There's a non-breaking space character between each word &#160 I'm no code page expert, but I assume your news reader isn't translating it correctly. (Is that considered "stating the obvious" ?)
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    Marcel Cox NNTP User

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    DenverD wrote:

    >) i get none of those strange characters..


    Are you sure you are looking at the correct message? If your Thunderbird
    shows that message "correctly", then your Thunderbird is not working
    correctly because the actual fault is at the gateway which can't handle
    quoted printable characters and passes them "as is" without however
    telling in that header that such characters are used. As such, a correctly
    working newsreader should show the &#160 strings in the message on the
    NNTP side.

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    Marcel Cox NNTP User

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    Malcolm,

    > Any ideas as to why I see this in my newsreader, looks fine on the web
    > page of course?
    >


    It's a limitation of the NNTP gateway. Currently, the gateway doesn't try
    to do any code page handling and character code translation. The gateway
    simply assumes that both the web and the NNTP side are using ISO-8859-1
    In cases where this is not true, that will lead to incorrect display. More
    specifically:

    For messages posted on the web that do not use ISO-8859-1, vBulletin uses
    quoted printable encoding. E.g. special characters are encoded as &#nnn.
    The gateway just forwards those in the message body on the NNTP side. As
    the NNTP message header does not say that quoted printable encoding is
    used, the encoded characters are shown in the &#nnn syntax.

    For messages posted on the NNTP side that do not use ISO-8859-1 encoding
    and that include special characters, those special characters will be
    shown as different characters on the web. This will be most visible for
    UTF-8 encoded NNTP messages where one character may be encoded by multiple
    bytes and will therefore be shown as multiple garbage characters on the
    web.

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    Marcel Cox wrote:
    > DenverD wrote:
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    >> ) i get none of those strange characters..

    >
    > Are you sure you are looking at the correct message? If your Thunderbird
    > shows that message "correctly", then your Thunderbird is not working
    > correctly because the actual fault is at the gateway which can't handle
    > quoted printable characters and passes them "as is" without however
    > telling in that header that such characters are used. As such, a
    > correctly working newsreader should show the &#160 strings in the
    > message on the NNTP side.
    >


    well, i was looking at what he quoted (which was obviously not looking
    too good) or, are you saying that EVERY message i get from these fora
    should&#160;look&#160;like&#160;this?

    i&#160;do&#160;not&#160;believe&#160;it...

    DenverD

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