bored by dependencies in opensuse 11.2 rc1 gnome

[morphy76]

i'm used to use kde... and as i get it, i'm used to remove at least apparmor and mono/beagle, i don't need them, i don't keep them

tonight i was checking opensuse 11.2 with gnome... it's a well done job... i will probably use it in my working station... replacing my kde habits....

but

apparmor left my virtual box installation silently, and that's good... next i've tried to remove mono and... argh i cannot... it is used by tons of apps... including gnome itself o_O ok ok i can keep it even if it smells... let's remove beagle... wow! it's used by f-spot... let's remove f-spot too :_( and let's remove libbeagle too.... wow! it's used by another ton of apps... including gnome itself o_O

i don't remember in previous releases such a **** of dependencies...

tomorrow, i'll try opensuse with kde and i hope to have a better feeling than i've got tonight...

[malcolmlewis]

Originally Posted by morphy76

i'm used to use kde... and as i get it, i'm used to remove at least
apparmor and mono/beagle, i don't need them, i don't keep them

tonight i was checking opensuse 11.2 with gnome... it's a well done
job... i will probably use it in my working station... replacing my kde
habits....

but

apparmor left my virtual box installation silently, and that's good...
next i've tried to remove mono and... argh i cannot... it is used by
tons of apps... including gnome itself o_O ok ok i can keep it even if
it smells... let's remove beagle... wow! it's used by f-spot... let's
remove f-spot too :_( and let's remove libbeagle too.... wow! it's used
by another ton of apps... including gnome itself o_O

I DON'T REMEMBER IN PREVIOUS RELEASES SUCH A **** OF DEPENDENCIES...

tomorrow, i'll try opensuse with kde and i hope to have a better
feeling than i've got tonight...

Hi
If you need to make a customizable version, you might want to check out
SUSE Studio and sign up for a login;
http://susestudio.com

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[morphy76]

i don't need a customized version... i don't want a customized version... just wondering why people makes this kind of choices

[Confuseling]

Beagle makes sense to remove.

Mono? What are you talking about? Gnome is a metapackage, which requires various libraries and such things to run. If you don't want to use it, don't use it. If you don't want a system 'tainted' by it, frankly, go and use another distro.

This conversation, like almost every conversation on this subject, is a completely pointless waste of time.

[morphy76]

confuseling, why beagle makes sense to remove and not for mono? is it your opinion? my opinion is that both make sense to be removed, why your opinion is better than mine?

waste of time... it's funny... i thought that a forum was a place to share opinions... if you think that's a waste of time, please, don't answer we will both feel better

back to topic, i've compared it with kde4 installation (where it's possible too remove all of those packages), but it seems to be more laggy and memory waster...

morphy76 wrote:

> confuseling, why beagle makes sense to remove and not for mono? is it
> your opinion? my opinion is that both make sense to be removed, why your
> opinion is better than mine?
>
> waste of time... it's funny... i thought that a forum was a place to
> share opinions... if you think that's a waste of time, please, don't
> answer we will both feel better
>
> back to topic, i've compared it with kde4 installation (where it's
> possible too remove all of those packages), but it seems to be more
> laggy and memory waster...

I agree. It should be removed in an easily manner, maybe by using
patterns? :-?

Please, report it on Bugzilla and attach to the report a "test solver case".

Greetings,

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Camaleón

[Confuseling]

If that wasn't actually another mono rant, then I apologise - it was early, and I misread your post.

Easy to get twitchy about this subject...

[Incidentally, the reason I was suggesting it didn't make sense, is because as far as I know it doesn't do anything unless you actively run it - unlike beagle. But yes, I can appreciate that some people prefer to strip out unnecessary things from their systems...]

[Knurpht]

......and get back here to post on other things that 'suddenly stopped working'. The difference: beagle is a resource eating app, mono is a framework that apps rely on.

And ..define 'unnecessary'. Example: Today I compile a custom kernel, with only necessary modules, no more no less. Tomorrow I connect my tablet to my machine: AARRHG it does not work.

I've already read people complaining about not being able to uninstall Qt when running KDE....

Having things like mono, python, perl installed by default enables the quick use of programs using them. Mono indeed does not 'do' anything unless it's told so. By apps for example.

[Sagemta]

Morphy,
You are free to remove Mono if you choose, all I'll say is that Mono is one of those things, in my experience, is better to have & not need than need & not have.
In my case Mono seems to help with Moonlight plugin.
You may not but this is Linux, be free

[morphy76]

@confuseling, glad to read what you've written

linux is freedom, and i'm not free to have gnome without mono... here is my complain... cause i don't want to leave my beloved suse

mono isn't a framework, it's a runtime (huh? yeah yeah... it's a frameowrk, but it's mainly a runtime if you aren't a developer) ... something like java... and do you like interpreted components for you desktop? don't you prefer compiled ones? there's no need about portability across platforms cause you always download a certain platform... and code is compiled for your platform... what am i missing?