keyboard/graphics settings in 11.2RC2

[epicurious]

Hello,

I'm having issues with setting the keyboard and graphics drivers for my Fujitsu Siemens S6010 laptop.

SaX does not display any keyboard options.

Also, I'm stuck using the vesa driver, even though the intel driver is present: I keep getting a "no usable modes found" message... any advice? The screen is a i830.

[didencool]

epicurious wrote:

> SaX does not display any keyboard options.

Yes that is most annoing thing for me.
I'm really like to hear any comment from developers. Why this was made?

2devs, please do not boiled with such question. But give some clearification
about this point.

Why it was be needed to remove keyboard settings from sax2?
Why it was important to remove it from yast?

maybe somebody is made it clear to me and other people
who is responsible for that/such decision?
is it will be another silence in the air?
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WBR

[Cloddy]

didencool wrote:

> epicurious wrote:
>
>> SaX does not display any keyboard options.
>
> Yes that is most annoing thing for me.
> I'm really like to hear any comment from developers. Why this was made?
>
> 2devs, please do not boiled with such question. But give some
> clearification about this point.
>
> Why it was be needed to remove keyboard settings from sax2?
> Why it was important to remove it from yast?
>
> maybe somebody is made it clear to me and other people
> who is responsible for that/such decision?
> is it will be another silence in the air?


https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483554

To find the new system, check the last line of Jens' reply to me at #30.

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Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy
"I wear the cheese. It does not wear me."

[epicurious]

Originally Posted by Cloddy

didencool wrote:

> epicurious wrote:
>
>> SaX does not display any keyboard options.
>
> Yes that is most annoing thing for me.
> I'm really like to hear any comment from developers. Why this was made?
>
> 2devs, please do not boiled with such question. But give some
> clearification about this point.
>
> Why it was be needed to remove keyboard settings from sax2?
> Why it was important to remove it from yast?
>
> maybe somebody is made it clear to me and other people
> who is responsible for that/such decision?
> is it will be another silence in the air?


https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483554

To find the new system, check the last line of Jens' reply to me at #30.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy
"I wear the cheese. It does not wear me."

I went... and saw...

"System Settings - General tab - under Personal - Regional &
Language - Keyboard Layout."

I'm on Fluxbox. Where is any of that?

[epicurious]

Actually read all of the bug discussion - I think there's too much reliance on the desktop environment, which will lead to a form of "lock-in" - if you're not using KDE/GNOME, you're screwed.

To be clear - it's not that I can't set the language of the keyboard: but that I cannot set the keymap. In 11.0, I could pick Fujitsu Amillo G as the closest keymap to mine and everything worked. I understand that this is a release candidate, but I do think that disabling the mouse and keyboard sections was a bad idea. How do I enable them again?

[didencool]

Graham P Davis wrote:

> To find the new system, check the last line of Jens' reply to me at #30.
agreed with epicurious
that is not an answer...

not all use kde that is #1 situation

#2
that is not work'n in teminal.
for example I run tty1
and log as user
the problem is that I can not change layout without editing
/etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
#3
also if you have remoute log in in secure shell you have the same problems.
#4
My system have default language Russian for example
and pasword to login in english.
in kde I set up shortcut for switch layouts
caps - for english
shift+caps - for russian
but this is not work in login screen

So my conclusion is that some just brake thing that works at least 10
years...
What a best wishes(or what drugs smoke'n dev) was in mind Why it was needed
to broke this.
It can be just somebodies misstake (that is not a problem we all people)
But as far as i can conclude that was a clear move.
one of the thing why i choose suse 9.2 was good national support and clear
keybord switch setting.
that was not work to me in red hat i was trying before 7.2
same with slackware
and and i only have two posibilities suse and local distro alt linux (it is
mandriva based)
I choose suse because it is more polished as for me. And now past ten years
I have a problem that was solved TEN years ago. And nobody care...
it looks like in us no need to switch layout...
sorry if...
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WBR

[didencool]

epicurious wrote:

> How do I enable them again?
absolutly agreed...
last train is outgoing.
It will be huge disaster(in first to opensuse community, then to novell
reputation) if live things as they is at this point.
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WBR

epicurious wrote:

> I'm having issues with setting the keyboard and graphics drivers for my
> Fujitsu Siemens S6010 laptop.
>
> SaX does not display any keyboard options.

To setup keyboard and mouse you have to use the tools provided by your
desktop environment.

> Also, I'm stuck using the vesa driver, even though the intel driver is
> present: I keep getting a "no usable modes found" message... any advice?
> The screen is a i830.

First, you can still use the standard "xorg.conf" file, and tweak all the
things there. If you had a previous working installation, you can try to
use the same "xorg.conf" file.

Second, you can still use "sax2" at command line, to help you with the
detection of the vga driver/screen configuration.

Also, look at the xorg logs.

And last but not least, you can fill a bugzilla. If things are not working
as they should by default, that is the best approach to get them corrected.

Greetings,

--
Camaleón

[epicurious]

Originally Posted by Camaleón

To setup keyboard and mouse you have to use the tools provided by your
desktop environment.

[...]you can still use "sax2" at command line, to help you with the
detection of the vga driver/screen configuration.

[...]And last but not least, you can fill a bugzilla. If things are not working
as they should by default, that is the best approach to get them corrected.

Fluxbox is a window manager. I don't have a desktop environment. That's my point. I don't need a desktop environment to use my computer. The advantage is that I get to pick the apps I need to do things, without having to have things I don't want.

Sax used to do what I needed without having to tweak xorg.conf [which is what I'm having to do now]. The decision has been made to remove those bits I - and others? - need, which means it's not actually a bug.

I'm not trying to be difficult here: I actually want a solution. But I really cannot understand what was wrong with the old way, especially for those who don't use a desktop environment.

[didencool]

Camaleón wrote:

> To setup keyboard and mouse you have to use the tools provided by your
> desktop environment.
and what about icewm? for example

> First, you can still use the standard "xorg.conf" file, and tweak all the
> things there. If you had a previous working installation, you can try to
> use the same "xorg.conf" file.

yep
man it is 2009 Q4

how can I explain to my son 11 y.o.
first - why keyboard switch was working normally and now he need to edit
xorg.conf?
second - why he should use opensuse with such userunfriendly thing, when
all over here, his friends, uses pirated windows and from everywhere is told
that ubuntu just work.

> And last but not least, you can fill a bugzilla. If things are not working
> as they should by default, that is the best approach to get them
> corrected.

yep

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483554
Enhancement P2 - High RESOLVED RC 2
I have RC2, maybe i missed something?

sax2 that i have still have no keyboard and mouse settings

no way out to configure the keyboard layout switch from gui

Users expect the keyboard to work with the correct layout (selected during
the
installation) everywhere. That's one of the main requisites for YAST and
everything else would be a big regression.
AFAICS, this means that YaST has to configure / modify several application
settings (e.g. the KDE-settings).
Isn't that too complex / too much work ? Just my 2 cents...

AFAICS, bugs 498314, 534300, 531250 and 534023 are duplicates.
I'm afraid we will get more of them...

from M6 is nothing changed. Did you seriously mean to post one more
bugreport?

I'm sad with this
Somebody take position that it is not needed anymore.

This also means that keyboard/mouse configuration is now fully done in the
desktops, AFAIK KDE3, KDE4 and Gnome (probably also Xfce) provide tools for
that. Redhat and Ubuntu rely on this since some time (no xorg.conf at all).

no it is not working in icewm,(guess fluxbox, awesome and many others wm),
this does not any affect for tty terminal. if some crash happens can be
needed to run even fvw(xorg native wm)
I am really sure that community should discuss and vote about desisions that
should be removed (maybe it was discussed and i'm just miss it)
but I am not see any normal explanation about this step. I guess developers
talked about on some irc channel and take a decision, that this will good.
For them?
If this is really should be made, on my personal opinion it needs two
versions before remove to make it smoothly.
Of couse it is not the end of world. I can read
man xorg.conf
and edit it with vi... and probably it become to work. But such relationship
with users will not add users to community. I'm guess devs don't care. Hope
i'll wrong

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WBR