Yay for OS 11.2 RC1!

[TaraIkeda]

Originally Posted by conram

The way it looks, they still include the sax2 gui so maybe we will see it exist in the final version only that it is not inside yast2. Maybe all who wants this feature has to submit a request to retain it before it's too late!

Indeed, relying on KDE4's xrandr is nonsense, I never had it work right for me.
The issue is that when you do change the resolution in KDE4 it does stay but only for that session, its my biggest gripe with KDE 4 right now is that its monitor detection tools default to whatever resolution the system.
its stupid to rely on KDE4's screen resolution tool!
If you install your system and it does not detect your best resolution it might stick you with an inferior resolution.
My default resolution is 800x600 and I want my best resolution 1024x768, but with Sax2 gone I have to rely on KDE4's resolution settings tool.
Sounds easy enough right?
WRONG!
If your system defaults to the small resolution guess what, your screwed if KDE4 does not remember your desired resolution.
And for me it never did, I always needed something like Mandriva's control center or Sax2.
I get stuck with 800x600, its why I cant use Kubuntu!
What are we trying to make openSUSE like Kubuntu, so that when you need a higher resolution by default you have to edit xorg and **** like that?
Sax2 needs to remain, it is impossible for me to rely on KDE4's buttf%$&ed resolution tool and its inability to save my desired resolution.
The people who suggested it be removed need thier heads examined, we need the GUI tool for new users.
If we take a useful tool like this away it will be foolish, to remove the GUI and have people use the commandline to access this useful tool boarders on stupidity.
If the team wants to attract more new users you must keep Sax's GUI there, I think its screwed up that you people suggested it to be removed.
And to see it actually go through is another stupid move, whoever okayed this stupid idea must be six times as stupid.

[caf4926]

@TaraIkeda
I find some of your comments an unnecessary use of expletives even written as they are. You would be much better served making sensible comments to the development team. I see plenty of positive changes in 11.2 - all a result of feedback they have received from users like you and me. You are obviously an intelligent and skilled Linux user. Can I encourage you to consider my suggestion without prejudice.

Carl

[conram]

Originally Posted by TaraIkeda

Indeed, relying on KDE4's xrandr is nonsense, I never had it work right for me.
The issue is that when you do change the resolution in KDE4 it does stay but only for that session, its my biggest gripe with KDE 4 right now is that its monitor detection tools default to whatever resolution the system.
its stupid to rely on KDE4's screen resolution tool!
If you install your system and it does not detect your best resolution it might stick you with an inferior resolution.
My default resolution is 800x600 and I want my best resolution 1024x768, but with Sax2 gone I have to rely on KDE4's resolution settings tool.
Sounds easy enough right?
WRONG!
If your system defaults to the small resolution guess what, your screwed if KDE4 does not remember your desired resolution.
And for me it never did, I always needed something like Mandriva's control center or Sax2.
I get stuck with 800x600, its why I cant use Kubuntu!
What are we trying to make openSUSE like Kubuntu, so that when you need a higher resolution by default you have to edit xorg and **** like that?
Sax2 needs to remain, it is impossible for me to rely on KDE4's buttf%$&ed resolution tool and its inability to save my desired resolution.
The people who suggested it be removed need thier heads examined, we need the GUI tool for new users.
If we take a useful tool like this away it will be foolish, to remove the GUI and have people use the commandline to access this useful tool boarders on stupidity.
If the team wants to attract more new users you must keep Sax's GUI there, I think its screwed up that you people suggested it to be removed.
And to see it actually go through is another stupid move, whoever okayed this stupid idea must be six times as stupid.

If I were you I will try to search this topic in the developers discussions so you will know what's really going on. Commenting negative without the knowledge of what's really going on with the project is not a good idea.
Just my Own Honest Opinion.

[TaraIkeda]

Originally Posted by caf4926

@TaraIkeda
I find some of your comments an unnecessary use of expletives even written as they are. You would be much better served making sensible comments to the development team. I see plenty of positive changes in 11.2 - all a result of feedback they have received from users like you and me. You are obviously an intelligent and skilled Linux user. Can I encourage you to consider my suggestion without prejudice.

Carl

Well sorry I find the idea of removing such a useful tool stupid, but come on sax2's gui is useful and it helpful to new users.

Originally Posted by conram

If I were you I will try to search this topic in the developers discussions so you will know what's really going on. Commenting negative without the knowledge of what's really going on with the project is not a good idea.
Just my Own Honest Opinion.

To hell with that, I think the developers made a dumb move here.
Again I thought the goal of openSUSE was to make an easy to use system, if you remove useful and helpful tools like sax2 and rely on something that is borked like KDE4's monitor tools then there is room for complaint.
I never had KDE4's monitor detection work for me, I always had to rely on some external tool like Mandriva's control center or Sax2 to get it right.
I cant use Kubuntu for this very reason.

[conram]

Originally Posted by TaraIkeda

Well sorry I find the idea of removing such a useful tool stupid, but come on sax2's gui is useful and it helpful to new users.



To hell with that, I think the developers made a dumb move here.
Again I thought the goal of openSUSE was to make an easy to use system, if you remove useful and helpful tools like sax2 and rely on something that is borked like KDE4's monitor tools then there is room for complaint.
I never had KDE4's monitor detection work for me, I always had to rely on some external tool like Mandriva's control center or Sax2 to get it right.
I cant use Kubuntu for this very reason.

Aw, what in heavens name, It's not yet the end of the world. There must be a good reason. Cool down.

[deano_ferrari]

I agree that with the move to Xorg autodetection, and with a manually created xorg.conf only required for some problematic hardware or custom user settings (multiscreen configuration for example), it would still be a good idea to have a graphical tool available.

From this X.Org discussion, sax2 is briefly discussed here, where Matthias Hoph (suse.de) mentions

I'm unsure ATM, but I think that sax2 still uses 'X -probe'. OTOH we
will deprecate sax2 for openSUSE 11.2 anyway...
In any case, this is something not to be applied unless we want to bump
at least the minor version number.

So, it looks like the underlying Xorg development is contributing to the deprecation of sax2.

[swerdna]

Originally Posted by TaraIkeda

Well sorry I find the idea of removing such a useful tool stupid..............

and

To hell with that, I think the developers made a dumb move here.

Don't go into politics -- stick with your day job

And I'm with caf4926 and conram -- cool down

[TaraIkeda]

Originally Posted by conram

Aw, what in heavens name, It's not yet the end of the world. There must be a good reason. Cool down.

No I see no reasoning here, just pure nonsense.

[Akoellh]

Originally Posted by TaraIkeda

No I see no reasoning here, just pure nonsense.

I really appreciate that.

Reading your sax2-related comments in this and other threads as well as on openFATE clearly shows that your opinion on "nonsense" is the one of a real expert.

[TaraIkeda]

Originally Posted by Akoellh

I really appreciate that.

Reading your sax2-related comments in this and other threads as well as on openFATE clearly shows that your opinion on "nonsense" is the one of a real expert.

Yeh but how can the removal of such a useful tool not be considered nonsense?
What if something screws up and you are stuck at a low res like 600x400 and you cant go any higher?
What pop out a terminal and manually edit xorg when it should not be necessary?
I do not want another Kubuntu here, I cant use it because it chooses my lowest res anxd the only real way to change it is to manually edit ****.
I thought the goal was "ease of use" here